Capt. Marck Carey's new ride

[Duct Tape]

There has been a lot of speculation and guessing about the race car being fabricated by Jamaica Race Driver's Club vice president Capt. Marck Carey. Several photos have been posted all over different threads and questions, answers and threats issued. This thread seeks to condense all these into one and the car build can be followed as well as new developments catalogued.

Here goes:

Capt Carey originally posted this photo as his avatar many moons ago, the first hint of what he was planning.


he then posted some pictures of other titbits, and we saw the beginnings of the project

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It then got to some detail:




with carbon fibre featured throughout.



Can anyone guess what engine will power the lightened beast?
The Capt has already stated that he is aiming initially for a sub 1 min 20 sec lap time at Dover, but has also said blatantly that if you aren't capable of doing sub 1.17's, then you may as well not even leave home. Lts see what unfolds from here on.

[Van Diesel]

1G 4G6X?

wait the driveshaft is going to run inside?

fully dropped body?

[Van Diesel]

i see he has taken some inspiration from our former Isuzu mod

[marck_c]

This is a very interesting thread.

i see he has taken some inspiration from our former Isuzu mod

Which mod is that??

[Armchair racer]

i see he has taken some inspiration from our former Isuzu mod

you a give me red card and they you turn round and call the big man speedking! 

You wrang!  you fe get some 

[Armchair racer]

good move Dean i was about to suggest this thread instead of thaking over mark Viera's thread!

[Van Diesel]

i see he has taken some inspiration from our former Isuzu mod

you a give me red card and they you turn round and call the big man speedking! 

You wrang!  you fe get some 

if u see the man wastegate position you would understand what im talking about

[Van Diesel]

This is a very interesting thread.

and even more interesting for me seeing a have a little inside info

[Shifter Kart]

I entered this thread expecting pics of the car in whole.
sigh
gone.

[Van Diesel]

shifter cart ygpm

[Rude boy Roy- Garage R]

speedking up pipe style waste gate ftmfw!

[marck_c]

I first used the divorced wastegate setup over 4 years ago, on my previous Evo.

[Wrecked-=HS Engineering=-]

I hear it is a 4G61.

Self done carbon fibre?

[wspy]

Errr... one of these 


MITSUBISHI SIRIUS

4G61
The 4G61 normally displaces 1.6 L, but there are two distinct variations: An earlier version uses 3.03x3.39 in bore and stroke, while a later one has moved to 3.24x2.95 in. This engine was always DOHC 16-valve and used either ECFI or MPFI fuel injection. A turbocharged version was also produced for the Mirage. The 4G61 does not have balance shafts like the other 4G6x motors. Instead, it has different components, some of which can be used on the "Silent Shaft" motors.

Applications:
3.03x3.39
1989 Mitsubishi Mirage ECFI
1989-1990 Dodge Colt MPI
3.24x2.95
1990-1992 Mitsubishi Mirage MPFI

4G62
The larger 1.8 L 4G62 was an SOHC 8-valve unit for longitudinal RWD/4WD use. With a 3.17x3.46 in bore and stroke, it displaces 1795 cc.

Applications:
1988 Mitsubishi Cordia
1988 Mitsubishi Tredia

4G63
The 4G63 was a 2.0 L (1997 cc) version. Again, there were two different bore and stroke versions, and both SOHC and DOHC were produced. It is found in various Mitsubishi models including the Eclipse and Galant but also appears in Chrysler-branded versions of the Eclipse: the Eagle Talon and Plymouth Laser.It comes with either 4/6/& 7-bolt mains. The increase in main-bolts, is to reduced 'cam-crawl';the 7-bolt is used in the VR-4 & Evolution. This makes for swaps into other vehicles difficult, except the Galant GSX*.

Note that the 4G63 block in the Eclipse and Galant (and other Mitsubishi and Chrysler passenger cars) is not identical to the 4G63 block found in the Mitsubishi Mighty Max and Dodge Ram 50. The car-bound 4G63 has a bore and stroke of 3.35 in (85 mm) and 3.46 in (88 mm), whereas the truck 4G63 has a bore and stroke of 3.31 in (84 mm) and 3.54 in (90 mm).

Output for the US-spec 2004 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution is 271 hp (202 kW) at 6500 RPM with 273 ft.lbf (370 Nm) of torque at 3500 RPM. It has a cast iron engine block and aluminum DOHC cylinder heads. It uses MPI multi-point fuel injection, has 4 valves per cylinder, is turbocharged and intercooled and features forged steel connecting rods.

In the United Kingdom, a special Lancer Evolution, the FQ-400, produces 302.13 kW (405.2 hp), from a 4G63 engine. At 202.9 hp (151.3 kW) per liter, it has possibly the highest specific output per liter of any production engine.

Racing
Its turbocharged variant, 4G63T (also sometimes referred to simply as the 4G63), has powered Mitsubishi vehicles in World Rally Championships for years in the Galant VR-4, Lancer Evolution, Carisma GT and Lancer WRC04. It was the powerplant of the Lancer Evolution when Tommi Mäkinen won his four sequential WRC championships. The engine is also used in a variety of turbocharged 2-liter models of Galant and Eclipse.

Applications:
3.31x3.54 SOHC 2-barrel carburetor
1988-1989 Mitsubishi Mighty-Max
1988-1989 Dodge Ram 50
3.35x3.46 SOHC carburetor
1988 Mitsubishi Cordia
1988 Mitsubishi Tredia
3.35x3.46 SOHC MPFI
1988-1992 Dodge Colt Vista
1989-1992 Mitsubishi Galant
3.35x3.46 DOHC MPFI
1989-1992 Mitsubishi Galant
1990-1999 Mitsubishi Eclipse
1990-1999 Plymouth Laser
1990-1999 Eagle Talon
Mitsubishi Starion (Australia)

4G64
The longitudinal 4G64 was the largest variant, at 2.4 L (2350 cc). Early models were 8-valve SOHC, but a later 16-valve DOHC version was also produced. All used MPFI with a 3.41 in (86.5 mm) bore and 3.94 in (100 mm) stroke.

A later 4G64, built in Shiga, Japan, was used as recently as 2004 in transverse applications. It has an cast iron engine block and aluminum SOHC cylinder heads. It uses SFI fuel injection, has 4 valves per cylinder with roller followers and features a one-piece cast camshaft cast and aluminum intake manifold.

The version used in the Chrysler Sebring/Stratus coupes produced 147 hp (110 kW) at 5500 RPM with 158 ft.lbf (214 Nm) of torque at 4000 RPM. The Chrysler version features fracture-split forged powder metal connecting rods.

The Lancer Ralliart/Eclipse version uses forged steel connecting rods. Output is 162 hp (121 kW) at 5500 RPM with 162 ft.lbf (260 Nm) of torque at 4000 RPM.

Applications:
1988 Mitsubishi Galant
1988-1990 Mitsubishi Van
1990-1992 Mitsubishi Pick-Up
1990-1992 Dodge Ram 50
Mitsubishi Lancer Ralliart
Mitsubishi Eclipse/Chrysler Sebring/Dodge Stratus

4G67
The 16-valve DOHC 4G67 displaced 1.8 L (1836 cc).

Applications:
Mitsubishi Mirage

4G69
The 4G69 is a 2.4 L (2378 cc) version built in Shiga, Japan. Bore is 87 mm and stroke is 100 mm. Output is 160 hp (119 kW) at 5750 RPM with 162 ft.lbf (289 Nm) of torque at 4000 RPM. It has an cast iron engine block and aluminum SOHC cylinder heads. It uses MFI fuel injection, has 4 valves per cylinder with roller followers and features forged steel connecting rods, a one-piece cast camshaft, and a cast aluminum intake manifold.

Applications:
2004 Mitsubishi Galant
2004 Mitsubishi Outlander

[BIGJUICE]

On a technical note........it should be observed that he did the most important thing .....he used a chassis gig table to set base rails true, level and square.....the next step he established wheel base configuretion.....excellent work Mark c........

[gregorybrav4]

i see he has taken some inspiration from our former Isuzu mod

you a give me red card and they you turn round and call the big man speedking! 

You wrang!  you fe get some 

if u see the man wastegate position you would understand what im talking about

correction please ,,, its not the man waste gate  its the waste gate thats on the engine ok , 

[Van Diesel]

gully correction noted

[gregorybrav4]

thanks mi boss ,,, kool 

[Ralliart4]

This is some very dangerous info here... I would love to see this J/HKS type car beat the TA1. Why? SO I CAN POST IT ON ALL THE FORUMS.

The measuring stick is getting bigger look out people. 

[Caldina03]

I thought marck_c said 1.17 sec per lap is not possible at Dover.....

Maybe I read it wrong....

[Shifter Kart]

think he meant it not possible for a tub chassis car...to which I agree...

[marck_c]

I meant not possible with TA1 or Doug's Evo 5.

[Caldina03]

I meant not possible with TA1 or Doug's Evo 5.

In October, 1.17.x will be done by TA1.

[Shifter Kart]

no. it wont.

[The Architect]

The Scientist in his MaDDDDDDD lab I do expect a 1.18 from TA1 some time still 1.17 maybe some time down the road still as that is extremely quick

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Innovative race car design elements all seem to come together in this project, like the alternator running off the driveshaft to minimise engine power losses



All manner of suspension adjustment and design


an electric water pump for the same engine load saving reason as above




The belly of the beast


I would think it fair to say that that is a high compression set up





More to come....

[Van Diesel]

want help

[the banana]

Hey Doug you want the answer on how to beat the TA1 , just follow my advice and Check Out ROBISPEC .Get rid of those SlowBoy parts , on few occasions when we would meet up and we would talk before the TA1 got to Jamaica i told you gotto change your intake manifold , exhaust manifold and there was that Special Turbo that i was telling you about ( See now what happens ,it's the same Turbo all along to change to ,now it's on the TA1) .I really respect you as the best driver on the circuit . Don't be Old School it's always good to take advice , Check Out ROBISPEC .Respect again Doug ,yu a still the best on the track ,yu just want some more consistent & reliable power and yu can start reign supreme again.     

[Duct Tape]

want help

Go right ahead. Ensure you have the captain's appoval first though.

[toyracer]

no. it wont.

You're right. Until another competitor gets close to 1:19.0, there's no reason to push TA1 any harder. And, the big picture is Round 3 of the CC, which is in November.

[Ralliart4]

no. it wont.

You're right. Until another competitor gets close to 1:19.0, there's no reason to push TA1 any harder. And, the big picture is Round 3 of the CC, which is in November.

Very good answer Mr. Toyracer!!! Step your game up and then maybe the TA1 will need to step up.

[marck_c]

no. it wont.

You're right. Until another competitor gets close to 1:19.0, there's no reason to push TA1 any harder. And, the big picture is Round 3 of the CC, which is in November.

Really?? Then why did he push harder and go a second faster between Labour Day and Indepenndence Day. Seeing as he had the track record, and was faster than everyone else 

[Rude boy Roy- Garage R]

new suspension set up capt sasquatch

[marck_c]

new suspension set up capt sasquatch

So if he already had the track record, and was ahead of everyone else, why did he change to a new suspension setup?? To do the same time??

[toyracer]

no. it wont.

You're right. Until another competitor gets close to 1:19.0, there's no reason to push TA1 any harder. And, the big picture is Round 3 of the CC, which is in November.

Really?? Then why did he push harder and go a second faster between Labour Day and Indepenndence Day. Seeing as he had the track record, and was faster than everyone else 

You already know the answer to this, but I'll give it anyway, for the benefit of others.

The previous margin was 0.5 seconds. That is nowhere near a comfort zone.

Now, the margin is ~1.8 seconds. Much more comfortable.

[Rude boy Roy- Garage R]

We'll them push the car first outing

suspension set up  wrong (this is what i determine)


second outing suspension tuned car handles better
car can be driven faster with the same engine set up

when them need to push hard when more competition come (ie the carbon fiber sasquatch ) more boost more power (to push it ) more

[Van Diesel]

its not a saquatch, chuss me

[Rude boy Roy- Garage R]

its not a saquatch, chuss me

IS A SASQUATCH TILL I SEE IT WITH MY OWN EYES!

[Shifter Kart]

new suspension set up capt sasquatch

So if he already had the track record, and was ahead of everyone else, why did he change to a new suspension setup?? To do the same time??

testing for Barbados and to learn the car as well, Captain Sasquatch ( )




Right TR?

[Rude boy Roy- Garage R]

btw marck i hope u dont take offence its all jus good humor ok capt?

[toyracer]

new suspension set up capt sasquatch

So if he already had the track record, and was ahead of everyone else, why did he change to a new suspension setup?? To do the same time??

testing for Barbados and to learn the car as well, Captain Sasquatch ( )




Right TR?

In general terms, correct.

[SCOTTSPEED]

  Can't wait to see this machine up and running. I smell trouble in the Dover camp

[MhadDrivaH™]

I wont be seen at dover until this machine is completed.... No competition = No fun at dover... i am tired of seeing just those Two Evos go at it each meet 

So i hope the pilot really carry in some Boeing engineered machine.. and bring more fun to dover!!!! A.S.A.P.!!!!

[Jody DuCasse]

marck_c, keep up the good work mi friend..............nice to see a yardie going ALL OUT on a machine.........not just the money, i can only imagine the mathematics that went into this...........can hardly wait to see it on the track       

[Jody DuCasse]

MC1
lol

[jim20]

A significant part of the improvement in TA1's time was simply from a change in tires. From a Yokohama 250/18 series tire on Father's day to a soft compound 280/18 series tire in August. That's about a 1.25" increase in rubber on the track. And they barely lasted to the final race. The suspension changes might have helped also but it is amazing what tires can do.

[OverbOOst]

Very interesting build  .... Some of the welding looks poor - possibly weaken under stress 

IF the engine is indeed a 4g61 i would say it might come out low on torque compared to the 4g-63

can't want to see the finished product perform...   

[smikle]

Innovative race car design elements all seem to come together in this project, like the alternator running off the driveshaft to minimise engine power losses



All manner of suspension adjustment and design


an electric water pump for the same engine load saving reason as above




The belly of the beast


I would think it fair to say that that is a high compression set up





More to come....

I like this, it looks very interesting.. I never really seen anything like this.
The suspension looks very difficult to put together.. Good work though 

How much does it weigh?

[gregorybrav4]

keep it coming boss the whole world is waiting