Caribbean Rally Championship

[logic]

With the current state of WRC cars and other machinery we have in the Caribbean , it would be nice to see if at least 3 of the clubs in the region can come together and start back the CRC . I know th logistics may be daunting but we have the baseline for 3 great rallies in the region already , those being rally Barbados , rally Trinidad and rally Jamaica , what would be nice if there was a balance between the gravel and tar , like 2 tar events and 2 gravel , what d you guys think?

You guys can also see what other people think of it on zhaust by clicking this link.

http://www.zhaust.com/forum/index.php?t=msg&goto=661721&rid=732#msg_661721

[Adrenaline_Rush]

Hey, sounds good.

I know it might not be much, but right now, the SVGAA (St.Vincent & the Grenadines Automobile Association) has a ROC style track (dirt, unpaved)  that makes for some really, really good entertainment (complete with bridge and underpass). I don't have any pics or vids, but I could get if you like. Could make for a great season closer or sprint/entertainment/bonus points round.

[Duct Tape]

Logical progression for a forward thinking and planning set of individuals.
Lets hope this can become a reality as the Caribbean Motor Racing Championship is now a reality for circuit racing.
This is logically to be followed by a Caribbean Karting and also a Caribbean Drag Racing Championship.

[don1]

Good Idea. Even without a championship Jamaica, Bajan and Trinidadian drivers already regularly visit each others rally events.

The major problem I see is which class of cars would be used for the championship? WRC? Group N? 2WD?

If it's WRC, there are currently none from Trinidad, at most two from Jamaica and the remainder are from Barbados.

If it's GroupN, then all three countries would probably be well represented. However, none of the "top" drivers are running GroupN. Same would apply for 2WD.

For a successful championship, each country should be able to nominate at least 3 or 4 cars in the same class.

[Duct Tape]

Run in whatever class and just use class points just like how class points are used for the driver's championship in Jamaica. Simple.

[Shifter Kart]

Good Idea. Even without a championship Jamaica, Bajan and Trinidadian drivers already regularly visit each others rally events.

The major problem I see is which class of cars would be used for the championship? WRC? Group N? 2WD?

If it's WRC, there are currently none from Trinidad, at most two from Jamaica and the remainder are from Barbados.

If it's GroupN, then all three countries would probably be well represented. However, none of the "top" drivers are running GroupN. Same would apply for 2WD.

For a successful championship, each country should be able to nominate at least 3 or 4 cars in the same class.

I'd go with group N, I believe all FIA championships except for the ITRC run Group N cars.

[LeadFoot Jr.]

I LIKE IT!!

Yes, Group N makes the most sense, but eliminates the most expensive machinery and thereby the most spendy drivers, most of the overseas drivers etc...... i am with DT on this one, allow all classes, same point specs and increase the base of drivers and crews that can be drawn from

[Adrenaline_Rush]

Logical progression for a forward thinking and planning set of individuals.
Lets hope this can become a reality as the Caribbean Motor Racing Championship is now a reality for circuit racing.
This is logically to be followed by a Caribbean Karting and also a Caribbean Drag Racing Championship.

Run in whatever class and just use class points just like how class points are used for the driver's championship in Jamaica. Simple.

agreed and agreed. Champion for each class no?

[benchracer]

I think the primary championship should be a Driver's Champion. Trying to create an equitable formula to allow each country to compete would be complicated as every country is at a different level of maturity in the sport.

I've already suggested in a previous post on this matter a two tiered regional competition as follows:

A WRC Driver's Cup should be the crowning regional rally title. These cars are the most exciting, aspirational and attractive to media and sponsorship opportunities if sold right. These cars are here already and we and their drivers look forward to them competing against each other. There needs to be more incentive to owning one of these cars and at the same time avoid them dominating the national championship limelight. These cars would be disqualified from national titles, though they can use national events to acquire points for the regional Cup.
They will have to compete in 3 or 4 regional rallies which would be marketed on a regional basis with exclusive TV rights and all.

At the same time the Group N / S2000 classes should be consolidated across the region so that competitors can challenge for a regional class championship using designated events. The Championship would require a mix of different surface types which would likely require competing in a number of overseas events. The objective is to encourage drivers to compete more throughout the region without penalising them too heavily if they can't attend every regional event.  This could possibly have a formula for a National Team championship.

If we want to win the level of support from media and the business community to support a regional championship the sport has to be packaged in a compelling manner. WRC cars are the best bet for the moment. If they captivate the Caribbean public, the sport and all the other classes will benefit.

[logic]

Good Idea. Even without a championship Jamaica, Bajan and Trinidadian drivers already regularly visit each others rally events.

The major problem I see is which class of cars would be used for the championship? WRC? Group N? 2WD?

If it's WRC, there are currently none from Trinidad, at most two from Jamaica and the remainder are from Barbados.

If it's GroupN, then all three countries would probably be well represented. However, none of the "top" drivers are running GroupN. Same would apply for 2WD.

For a successful championship, each country should be able to nominate at least 3 or 4 cars in the same class.

A WRC car does not have to win the championship , if one breaks down and a grp N or 2wd car wins their group all of the time they could be the champions , that is the beauty , it is not like the track racing where the big class only compeat or the same as drag racing.

[logic]

It is not out of reach , the hardest part is getting a common hotel ,as this year in rally Barbados they used divi south winds and in Jamaica they use the Hilton , i have no doubt a shipping company would be a problem as the 2 clubs in Barbados and Jamaica use their preferred shipping company but once again having one common shipping company would be nice.

[Western]

Good Idea. Even without a championship Jamaica, Bajan and Trinidadian drivers already regularly visit each others rally events.

The major problem I see is which class of cars would be used for the championship? WRC? Group N? 2WD?

If it's WRC, there are currently none from Trinidad, at most two from Jamaica and the remainder are from Barbados.

If it's GroupN, then all three countries would probably be well represented. However, none of the "top" drivers are running GroupN. Same would apply for 2WD.

For a successful championship, each country should be able to nominate at least 3 or 4 cars in the same class.

 
im sure there is a thread somwhere roun ere that we spoke about this recently

[Torquey aka Rallysport]

Run in whatever class and just use class points just like how class points are used for the driver's championship in Jamaica. Simple.

Our points system does seem to be best because our JA9 and JA8 classes are just one class in Bim. Right?
Then again what of FIA rules? But that may just complicate matters.

[Adrenaline_Rush]

WRC
GRPN
S2000

[logic]

What i propose is that the club heads get together and come to a common ground on the rules for the cars entering the CRC

[Duct Tape]

Run in whatever class and just use class points just like how class points are used for the driver's championship in Jamaica. Simple.

Our points system does seem to be best because our JA9 and JA8 classes are just one class in Bim. Right?
Then again what of FIA rules? But that may just complicate matters.

No, they are separate classes in Bim.

For all who are saying use S2000, which S2000 car you know of in jamaica, Barbados or Trinidad.
For those saying WRC, which WRC you know in Trinidad.
Running what you already own and operate will allow everyone who competes to have a chance at winning.
If the type of car is restricted to only one, two or even three classes, that automatically eliminates most competitors.
Image Andrew Jones, Ullett or Stillo winning the championship?!
Or Wee Wee, or Gentleman Morley in the Group N Subbie?
Or Betts in the likkle whatever it is that he drives (Opel?)
That sounds more entertaining than only one of what, seven possible winners now who own WRC machines?

[THE STIG]

  DT

[4E-FTE]

We nominate 1 brand/model of car for the championship.

We get those cars prepped based on entry numbers.

We then either ship the cars around to the islands, or have each island have a set of prepped cars.

You people thinking like TV still black and white. Its the satellite HD plasma age now.

[logic]

We nominate 1 brand/model of car for the championship.

We get those cars prepped based on entry numbers.

We then either ship the cars around to the islands, or have each island have a set of prepped cars.

You people thinking like TV still black and white. Its the satellite HD plasma age now.

Waste of time , this is not a 1 make series .

The thing about the championship is to race what you brought in what ever class you are in.

Every one has a chance to win.

[4E-FTE]

We nominate 1 brand/model of car for the championship.

We get those cars prepped based on entry numbers.

We then either ship the cars around to the islands, or have each island have a set of prepped cars.

You people thinking like TV still black and white. Its the satellite HD plasma age now.

Waste of time , this is not a 1 make series .

The thing about the championship is to race what you brought in what ever class you are in.

Every one has a chance to win.

Doesn't have to be a one make series. You can elect brand per island. This will make it cheaper, and provide better exposure than run what u brung. Even then I see nothing wrong with a one make series Caribbean Rally Championship.

[logic]

In these economic times you sending people to buy new cars just to do an event if you make it like that.

What would make it cheeper is if you leave it as is and let the current people compete with what they have.

[4E-FTE]

In these economic times you sending people to buy new cars just to do an event if you make it like that.

What would make it cheeper is if you leave it as is and let the current people compete with what they have.

Interesting thinking, but incorrect assumption. You don't have to buy the car. The deal would be that the nominated sponsor would provide prepared vehicles for the number of PAID entries.This would mean that instead of paying some inane sponsorship fee. They would benefit from DIRECT product exposure. It would also be cheaper than shipping a bunch of cars around the Caribbean for the summer with their associated stuff. In this case you show up, test/tune and drive.

[Autotronix]

In these economic times you sending people to buy new cars just to do an event if you make it like that.

What would make it cheeper is if you leave it as is and let the current people compete with what they have.

Interesting thinking, but incorrect assumption. You don't have to buy the car. The deal would be that the nominated sponsor would provide prepared vehicles for the number of PAID entries.This would mean that instead of paying some inane sponsorship fee. They would benefit from DIRECT product exposure. It would also be cheaper than shipping a bunch of cars around the Caribbean for the summer with their associated stuff. In this case you show up, test/tune and drive.

Like Motor Sales provide 5 Group N Evos, Simpson motors provide 5 WRC Foci, and a sponsor from Trinidad provide 5 whatever.  I like your thinking 4E   Is this possible tho, with the recession and the difficulties in getting sponsorship nowadays   Still like it tho

[Shifter Kart]

I like the idea. What we could also look at is the 3 rallies being apart of the NACAM series at the same time, with the Caribbean Championship run as a sideshow of some sorts.
Naturally it would have to be a few years down the line. That way anyone who wants to be a part of a FIA championship will be kept happy, those who just want to run a regional championship will be happy too.
This would mean runnign to FIA regulations which would make some classes ineligible. Mabye each country can host another major rally

[Shifter Kart]

I think the primary championship should be a Driver's Champion. Trying to create an equitable formula to allow each country to compete would be complicated as every country is at a different level of maturity in the sport.

I've already suggested in a previous post on this matter a two tiered regional competition as follows:

A WRC Driver's Cup should be the crowning regional rally title. These cars are the most exciting, aspirational and attractive to media and sponsorship opportunities if sold right. These cars are here already and we and their drivers look forward to them competing against each other. There needs to be more incentive to owning one of these cars and at the same time avoid them dominating the national championship limelight. These cars would be disqualified from national titles, though they can use national events to acquire points for the regional Cup.
They will have to compete in 3 or 4 regional rallies which would be marketed on a regional basis with exclusive TV rights and all.

At the same time the Group N / S2000 classes should be consolidated across the region so that competitors can challenge for a regional class championship using designated events. The Championship would require a mix of different surface types which would likely require competing in a number of overseas events. The objective is to encourage drivers to compete more throughout the region without penalising them too heavily if they can't attend every regional event.  This could possibly have a formula for a National Team championship.

If we want to win the level of support from media and the business community to support a regional championship the sport has to be packaged in a compelling manner. WRC cars are the best bet for the moment. If they captivate the Caribbean public, the sport and all the other classes will benefit.

almost the same thing I'm saying.

[benchracer]

Run in whatever class and just use class points just like how class points are used for the driver's championship in Jamaica. Simple.

Our points system does seem to be best because our JA9 and JA8 classes are just one class in Bim. Right?
Then again what of FIA rules? But that may just complicate matters.

No, they are separate classes in Bim.

For all who are saying use S2000, which S2000 car you know of in jamaica, Barbados or Trinidad.
For those saying WRC, which WRC you know in Trinidad.
Running what you already own and operate will allow everyone who competes to have a chance at winning.
If the type of car is restricted to only one, two or even three classes, that automatically eliminates most competitors.
Image Andrew Jones, Ullett or Stillo winning the championship?!
Or Wee Wee, or Gentleman Morley in the Group N Subbie?
Or Betts in the likkle whatever it is that he drives (Opel?)
That sounds more entertaining than only one of what, seven possible winners now who own WRC machines?

Sounds exciting - only from a driver's point of view. This would be just a bit too complicated to sell to a general augience. Best to keep it simple - the baddest cars and the baddest drivers go head to head (whether that's technically true or not).

All classes of cars compete in RJ and JB right now but its the WRC cars that steel the limelight?  Sad from a JN2 or JA4 or whatever point of view but that's how it is! Do you try to change fans perception or do you make the best of it and create a product that will draw a new level of interest and finance to the sport that will see more of these tallented drivers move up the ladder and get into WRC car too.

True, there are indeed only 7 WRC cars in the region now but a few years ago there was only 1 then 2 and suddenly there are 7. With that growth has come even keener interest from overseas competitors to compete in the class (how many were there in RB? What would that do for spectator interest in Jamaica and Trinidad?

From a media/promotional point of view this is the best sell and likely highest RIO package available. Take off your driver helmet DT and put on your promoter cap $$$$$ .


Thanks SK

My suggestion was first made in a tread about how a NACAM championship. BTW this suggestion of a Cup and a Championship running side by side is not new, I thing somewhere in Eastern Europe there is such a programme with Group N cars competing in a regional championship from which WRC cars have been banned by the FIA.

[4E-FTE]

1: The reason there are now 7 WRC cars in the Caribbean is because they're cast offs. The World is moving elsewhere and like the 'deportees' they're happy to hand us their junk.

2: Other than the WRC, which will soon stop using WRCars, and the Irish series, I can think of no other prominent FIA rally series that allows them. The BRC uses Group N, as does the IRC, and several of the European series. Most countries are using GrpN or S2000/S1600 rules.

3: The problem with sponsorship is that we want MONEY directly in our hands. Having them provide the cars is a more of 'kind' sponsorship, rather than cash. Many factories have motorsport incentive programs that provide dealers with such cars at reduced costs. Its a lot cheaper for KIG to ask for 5 M-Sport Fiestas, that for an individual to acquire just one.

[benchracer]

1: The reason there are now 7 WRC cars in the Caribbean is because they're cast offs. The World is moving elsewhere and like the 'deportees' they're happy to hand us their junk.

2: Other than the WRC, which will soon stop using WRCars, and the Irish series, I can think of no other prominent FIA rally series that allows them. The BRC uses Group N, as does the IRC, and several of the European series. Most countries are using GrpN or S2000/S1600 rules.

3: The problem with sponsorship is that we want MONEY directly in our hands. Having them provide the cars is a more of 'kind' sponsorship, rather than cash. Many factories have motorsport incentive programs that provide dealers with such cars at reduced costs. Its a lot cheaper for KIG to ask for 5 M-Sport Fiestas, that for an individual to acquire just one.

Check the last paragraph of my post DT.

The cast-off status and illegibility is exactly why I suggest the Cup vs Championship tiers. WRC cars are getting cheaper and are extremely exciting. In couple years we can transition to whatever newer spec WRC cars but until then we can use the WRC deportees to transform the rally business in the same way the regional car industry has been changed.

[Armchair racer]

With the current state of WRC cars and other machinery we have in the Caribbean , it would be nice to see if at least 3 of the clubs in the region can come together and start back the CRC . I know th logistics may be daunting but we have the baseline for 3 great rallies in the region already , those being rally Barbados , rally Trinidad and rally Jamaica , what would be nice if there was a balance between the gravel and tar , like 2 tar events and 2 gravel , what d you guys think?

You guys can also see what other people think of it on zhaust by clicking this link.

http://www.zhaust.com/forum/index.php?t=msg&goto=661721&rid=732#msg_661721

Sure you want a championship now that Jamaican rallying is declining and Bim would almost be  guaranteed the major prizes! 

why you never ask for it when the playing field was level

[logic]

With the current state of WRC cars and other machinery we have in the Caribbean , it would be nice to see if at least 3 of the clubs in the region can come together and start back the CRC . I know th logistics may be daunting but we have the baseline for 3 great rallies in the region already , those being rally Barbados , rally Trinidad and rally Jamaica , what would be nice if there was a balance between the gravel and tar , like 2 tar events and 2 gravel , what d you guys think?

You guys can also see what other people think of it on zhaust by clicking this link.

http://www.zhaust.com/forum/index.php?t=msg&goto=661721&rid=732#msg_661721

Sure you want a championship now that Jamaican rallying is declining and Bim would almost be  guaranteed the major prizes! 

why you never ask for it when the playing field was level

The playing field was never level , either you our us had the big cars .

[Autotronix]

1: The reason there are now 7 WRC cars in the Caribbean is because they're cast offs. The World is moving elsewhere and like the 'deportees' they're happy to hand us their junk.

2: Other than the WRC, which will soon stop using WRCars, and the Irish series, I can think of no other prominent FIA rally series that allows them. The BRC uses Group N, as does the IRC, and several of the European series. Most countries are using GrpN or S2000/S1600 rules.

3: The problem with sponsorship is that we want MONEY directly in our hands. Having them provide the cars is a more of 'kind' sponsorship, rather than cash. Many factories have motorsport incentive programs that provide dealers with such cars at reduced costs. Its a lot cheaper for KIG to ask for 5 M-Sport Fiestas, that for an individual to acquire just one.

Speaking of 5 cars, whatever happened to the Red Stripe WRXes

[LeadFoot Jr.]

One of those crashed out by palisadoes a while back......

[4E-FTE]

If you pass by their Spanish Town office you see them in the parking lot. They'll be out for ATi as usual, and actually that's a very good example right there. You get X-amount of the same cars, wrap them from head to sponsor graphics like that and race them.

[Duct Tape]

1: The reason there are now 7 WRC cars in the Caribbean is because they're cast offs. The World is moving elsewhere and like the 'deportees' they're happy to hand us their junk.

2: Other than the WRC, which will soon stop using WRCars, and the Irish series, I can think of no other prominent FIA rally series that allows them. The BRC uses Group N, as does the IRC, and several of the European series. Most countries are using GrpN or S2000/S1600 rules.

3: The problem with sponsorship is that we want MONEY directly in our hands. Having them provide the cars is a more of 'kind' sponsorship, rather than cash. Many factories have motorsport incentive programs that provide dealers with such cars at reduced costs. Its a lot cheaper for KIG to ask for 5 M-Sport Fiestas, that for an individual to acquire just one.

Check the last paragraph of my post DT.

The cast-off status and illegibility is exactly why I suggest the Cup vs Championship tiers. WRC cars are getting cheaper and are extremely exciting. In couple years we can transition to whatever newer spec WRC cars but until then we can use the WRC deportees to transform the rally business in the same way the regional car industry has been changed.

Don't mix me up Benchracer. It was 4e who brought up the point that you are addressing.

And on the business of taking off my driver's helmet and putting on my promotors thinking cap...I won't even go there, as I distictly recall a certain stigma attached to me to this day of seeing things too much as a promotor and wanting to create everything to the best effect of having entertaining events.

[benchracer]

1: The reason there are now 7 WRC cars in the Caribbean is because they're cast offs. The World is moving elsewhere and like the 'deportees' they're happy to hand us their junk.

2: Other than the WRC, which will soon stop using WRCars, and the Irish series, I can think of no other prominent FIA rally series that allows them. The BRC uses Group N, as does the IRC, and several of the European series. Most countries are using GrpN or S2000/S1600 rules.

3: The problem with sponsorship is that we want MONEY directly in our hands. Having them provide the cars is a more of 'kind' sponsorship, rather than cash. Many factories have motorsport incentive programs that provide dealers with such cars at reduced costs. Its a lot cheaper for KIG to ask for 5 M-Sport Fiestas, that for an individual to acquire just one.

Check the last paragraph of my post DT.

The cast-off status and illegibility is exactly why I suggest the Cup vs Championship tiers. WRC cars are getting cheaper and are extremely exciting. In couple years we can transition to whatever newer spec WRC cars but until then we can use the WRC deportees to transform the rally business in the same way the regional car industry has been changed.

Don't mix me up Benchracer. It was 4e who brought up the point that you are addressing.

And on the business of taking off my driver's helmet and putting on my promotors thinking cap...I won't even go there, as I distictly recall a certain stigma attached to me to this day of seeing things too much as a promotor and wanting to create everything to the best effect of having entertaining events.

My apologies Sir! Thanks for the correction.

I understand your position.

Wish this idea gets taken further. A downturn in the market is a great quiet-time to do plan for the ultimate upturn to come.

[holmes]

Hmmm....


Not a bad idea "4F" but having a one make series around our pond has a lot of work involved.
Off the bat how many cars do you see a that sponsor donating to the cause?
Next who will get them?
What about those who don't get them what is stopping them from using their own cash to run the series?
Each event will be treated as the host country prize event - Hence every one in that country currently runing will try to enter and will be going all out for either class or overall win - so that one make series will need to be on top of its game or "King Promoter" has some real big stuff to offer the winner of that one make series to make them step up or step down to enter it.
Who will fund the servicing of those cars - lets say having 9 cars same make will require atleast 30 mechanics (who know what is going on with those cars) and 13 service vehicles since they would all be in the same class and running close to each other. - Lets not mention spares yet.
Those are just some of the thoughts which immediately come to mind and I am sure I can find more.

But I really do like it and it does have potential as we could crown a regional champion from it based on "talent and luck" - but who would actually do the picking of each country representatives.

Currently - most ppl will be bringing what they have to the events and as the Bajans add newer cars to their stable the ante will be rasied, so it boils down to "talent and luck"


PS

Well you lose RWD on a 4WD - having down force on the back end of that car doesn't give you too much traction on the FWD. - Just my 2 cents.

[logic]

Hmmm....


Not a bad idea "4F" but having a one make series around our pond has a lot of work involved.
Off the bat how many cars do you see a that sponsor donating to the cause?
Next who will get them?
What about those who don't get them what is stopping them from using their own cash to run the series?
Each event will be treated as the host country prize event - Hence every one in that country currently runing will try to enter and will be going all out for either class or overall win - so that one make series will need to be on top of its game or "King Promoter" has some real big stuff to offer the winner of that one make series to make them step up or step down to enter it.
Who will fund the servicing of those cars - lets say having 9 cars same make will require atleast 30 mechanics (who know what is going on with those cars) and 13 service vehicles since they would all be in the same class and running close to each other. - Lets not mention spares yet.
Those are just some of the thoughts which immediately come to mind and I am sure I can find more.

But I really do like it and it does have potential as we could crown a regional champion from it based on "talent and luck" - but who would actually do the picking of each country representatives.

Currently - most ppl will be bringing what they have to the events and as the Bajans add newer cars to their stable the ante will be rasied, so it boils down to "talent and luck"


PS

Well you lose RWD on a 4WD - having down force on the back end of that car doesn't give you too much traction on the FWD. - Just my 2 cents.

Thank you 

[Duct Tape]

The suggestion of a one make series is one of the most far fetched ideas I have heard in a long time.
It is hard enough to get a sponsor to buy a competitor tires much less to get one to field multiple cars.
The manufacturers and their distibutors sure aren't interested in it and I can hardly see what they could hope to gain from a one make Caribbean series, as the markets in the Caribbean are too small to support that level of investment in marketing by them.
Having each country elect to have one unique brand for their event is even more ludicrous, as then each participating country would have to have a fleet of these cars. That means now that instead of having say, five cars for a 3  event series, you are saying we should have at least 15 cars for the same 3 event series? That is so improbable and near impossible to sell to any profit oriented car manufacturer/distributor that your backside would be smarting from the swift kick to your rump you would get when you went in to their boardroom to make that pitch.

[4E-FTE]

Not a bad idea "4F" but having a one make series around our pond has a lot of work involved.

I really dont see how its one make. Your experience is limiting your ability to see the bigger options. If you wish, a promoter may simply opt to purchase a stable of used cars from Japan. Race prepped STis and Evos are dirt cheap in Japan. Since these cars a)are only for motorsports b)will never stay in Jamaica they can avoid the pitfalls of our duty structure. US$20 to 35gs could get you 10-15 basic ex-competition cars. This way Doug could still retain driving an Evolution or even more exciting drive something else other than a Mitsubishi for a change.

Off the bat how many cars do you see a that sponsor donating to the cause?

Cars are not donated. They are bought/purchased/leased by the primary automotive sponsor via that manufacturers motorsports arm based on financial input from other sources ie the promoter or entry fees. Since the cars will either be GrpN or S1600 as per current regulations this should not be a problem for any current manufacturer. Based on the amount of exposure the CRC can generate I'm sure they would be forthcoming. We're not begging them for cars, its a fair exchange for the marketing/advertising opportunities the championship can provide. The cars also don't have to be new from the automotive sponsor. They just need to meet the class regulations.

Next who will get them?

Confirmed/paid entries as per their class. One of the problems as DT will tell you is that Competitors race based on budget per event in Jamaica. If you remove that block. Indicating they will have a car ready and waiting for them at the venue, then this should increase participation. Not to mention not having to ship your car and parts from country to country and the negatives that brings.
 

What about those who don't get them what is stopping them from using their own cash to run the series?

I never said other cars cant run, but they'd be there for entertainment factor only. The aim is give those serious about the CRC the prime spot, much like the BRC did a while back.

Each event will be treated as the host country prize event - Hence every one in that country currently runing will try to enter and will be going all out for either class or overall win - so that one make series will need to be on top of its game or "King Promoter" has some real big stuff to offer the winner of that one make series to make them step up or step down to enter it.

Not sure about this, but if you insist. What this idea needs is proper planning and people willing to it. I'm sure if the proper package was put forward there would be involvement. The big question is the return for the promoter/organizers of the CRC.
 

Who will fund the servicing of those cars - lets say having 9 cars same make will require atleast 30 mechanics (who know what is going on with those cars) and 13 service vehicles since they would all be in the same class and running close to each other. - Lets not mention spares yet.

The participants can opt for factory support, partial support. Full support means the car supplier, for a cost provides parts and mechanics. Partial support is just parts. Teams bring their own service crew. Cost can be cut by having a centralized service crew in either package. For example the Jamaican entries don't travel with individual crews, but one or two main mechanics. Sponsor will provide specifications to participants in advance. This is similar to the customer support program Prodrive used to run.

Those are just some of the thoughts which immediately come to mind and I am sure I can find more.

Old people also come up with reasons why colonialism was good.

But I really do like it and it does have potential as we could crown a regional champion from it based on "talent and luck" - but who would actually do the picking of each country representatives.

I at least thank you for seeing it that way. Removing the pocket advantage would provide a way more challenging championship. A similar concept is used for the Race of Champions and that's WAY more exciting that any rally here could ever be. There is no picking. Paid entries compete. There would be just like the current ROC, a country and driver points system.

Currently - most ppl will be bringing what they have to the events and as the Bajans add newer cars to their stable the ante will be rasied, so it boils down to "talent and luck"

Mr Gregg has great TALENT, but his LUCK ran out with his Evolution. Sitting at home with a broken leg he realized the stark fact that he's either had meet or surpass the FINANCIAL level of the equipment around him. If the CRC is going to be about who can outspend who for the best rally car, we know where this will go.

[4E-FTE]

The suggestion of a one make series is one of the most far fetched ideas I have heard in a long time.
It is hard enough to get a sponsor to buy a competitor tires much less to get one to field multiple cars.
The manufacturers and their distibutors sure aren't interested in it and I can hardly see what they could hope to gain from a one make Caribbean series, as the markets in the Caribbean are too small to support that level of investment in marketing by them.
Having each country elect to have one unique brand for their event is even more ludicrous, as then each participating country would have to have a fleet of these cars. That means now that instead of having say, five cars for a 3  event series, you are saying we should have at least 15 cars for the same 3 event series? That is so improbable and near impossible to sell to any profit oriented car manufacturer/distributor that your backside would be smarting from the swift kick to your rump you would get when you went in to their boardroom to make that pitch.

You know what DT, if that's how you feel, my input stops right here.

[Duct Tape]

One more point 4e, car manufacturers and their distibutors race current models as a way of saying that their brand/new model is good enough to win at racing so you should buy it. I don't know of any manufacturer who is interested in fielding used, out of sale models to advertise anything.
What is the point in that?
Thats something for a used car dealer to do, and which of those do you know who is going to field a fleet of these vehicles?
All the manufacturer based racing that I know of that use production based cars as racecars all use current model cars i.e. cars that are available to be bought by customers at the dealer showroom.
No car manufacturer sponsors out of production models, and certainly, not a fleet of them.
Dealers are into selling new model cars, not owning a fleet of out of date, used racecars.

[holmes]

Hmmm....

The suggestion of a one make series is one of the most far fetched ideas I have heard in a long time.
It is hard enough to get a sponsor to buy a competitor tires much less to get one to field multiple cars.
The manufacturers and their distibutors sure aren't interested in it and I can hardly see what they could hope to gain from a one make Caribbean series, as the markets in the Caribbean are too small to support that level of investment in marketing by them.
Having each country elect to have one unique brand for their event is even more ludicrous, as then each participating country would have to have a fleet of these cars. That means now that instead of having say, five cars for a 3  event series, you are saying we should have at least 15 cars for the same 3 event series? That is so improbable and near impossible to sell to any profit oriented car manufacturer/distributor that your backside would be smarting from the swift kick to your rump you would get when you went in to their boardroom to make that pitch.

You know what DT, if that's how you feel, my input stops right here.

"4E" - Boss - we agree it would take a lot of planing and logistics to try and even bring it off....
But as I seh and "DT" believes finding a dealer to sign off on this may be a hard sell.
Clubs need to get together and really pool the Govs in this for some strong get out of jail free passes.
Then they would need some ppl with some strong papers to go pick up those cars to go race. - I don't think those cars will last 2 - 3 yrs.
Now we really goin need some good policeman dem, fi go police d place jus in case wi get some smart alicks who choose to get creative on their cars.
Did i mention that jungle Grp N and real Grp N are two different class of CARS....  "So while runing in the CRC events unless the driver is a tarzan nuh try follow d real deal ting dem"

The up side is that - TV rights could help offset some pockets, Sponsors with regional interest may quickly want in, visitor arrivals may improve greatly with some good package deals and some young talented individual may just get seen by the bigger boys are just a few things I can think of.

And that is why I say its a good idea, now we need some talented talkers to make it happen - I know logistics I may have that covered. CRC has been on my mind way too long now.