caribbean circuit racing championships 2009

[Shifter Kart]

Driver skill and experience aside, can an approximately US$100,000.00 (TA1) or a US$45,000.00 (TMR Evo 5) autopliot beat a US$550,000.00 (conservatively estimated) autopilot?

All of a sudden this is about money?
If you have money spend it .
I do not hear no one complain when garry gregg bought a focus or panton .

you werent listening

[logic]

Driver skill and experience aside, can an approximately US$100,000.00 (TA1) or a US$45,000.00 (TMR Evo 5) autopliot beat a US$550,000.00 (conservatively estimated) autopilot?

All of a sudden this is about money?
If you have money spend it .
I do not hear no one complain when garry gregg bought a focus or panton .

you werent listening

Why the cost of the vehicles matters?

[Herbalife]

Driver skill and experience aside, can an approximately US$100,000.00 (TA1) or a US$45,000.00 (TMR Evo 5) autopliot beat a US$550,000.00 (conservatively estimated) autopilot?

All of a sudden this is about money?
If you have money spend it .
I do not hear no one complain when garry gregg bought a focus or panton .

you werent listening

Why the cost of the vehicles matters?

My guess, is that the argument is based on the premise that a properly built $50,000 car is no match for even an average quality $500,000 car.


 I could be wrong.....

[marck_c]

TA1 and Bull Thompson's RX-7 (when run by Peter Moodie) are probably the two most expensive circuit race cars ever to be imported to Jamaica. At their respective times these cars were worth US$80k to $100k. Considering the economic differences between Jamaica and Barbados, these figures could hardly be described as cheap. Do'nt remember anyone complaining at the time

[logic]

Driver skill and experience aside, can an approximately US$100,000.00 (TA1) or a US$45,000.00 (TMR Evo 5) autopliot beat a US$550,000.00 (conservatively estimated) autopilot?

All of a sudden this is about money?
If you have money spend it .
I do not hear no one complain when garry gregg bought a focus or panton .

you werent listening

Why the cost of the vehicles matters?

[colro=green]My guess, is that the argument is based on the premise that a properly built $50,000 car is no match for even an average quality $500,000 car.


 I could be wrong.....

If that was the case F1 cars would cost 50 k instead of 1. somebody million.

[marck_c]

The amount of money spent is not really relevant. Competition cars are built to technical rules specifications. One can always spend vast sums to diminishing returns. Most competitors in the Caribbean look at the rule book as an afterthought. A properly conceptualized, desgined and developed package (to the rule book) will out perform vast amounts of cash being thrown at the track.

[burns]

i keep telling people  becasue u got the lastest car dont mean u going to win.


look at rallybarbados 2008 chris meeke  1999  wrc corrolawrc   garry greg fordfocus 2001 who won the rally.

paul bird subaru 2003 s9.

[agribrown]

Cost of the car not important in my book....... Summerbell beat many expensive cars with with a Datsun (1200cc) ... The driver is the key.......... Summerbell, Gore, Campbell, Bull and hopefully Carey can drive and the times show this..... Mark Maloney first time at dover 1:22+ Mark Viera crazy......

So wi can't show no respect for our guests and their machines...  Sorry the focus not coming would love to see it run...... Mi frenz some nice machine coming..... But some driver coming too!!!!

As for the record...... As long as it don't rain......... the 1:19+ was given an immediate 1:20.9 response

[nmack]

Cost of the car not important in my book....... Summerbell beat many expensive cars with with a Datsun (1200cc) ... The driver is the key.......... Summerbell, Gore, Campbell, Bull and hopefully Carey can drive and the times show this..... Mark Maloney first time at dover 1:22+ Mark Viera crazy......

So wi can't show no respect for our guests and their machines...  Sorry the focus not coming would love to see it run...... Mi frenz some nice machine coming..... But some driver coming too!!!!

As for the record...... As long as it don't rain......... the 1:19+ was given an immediate 1:20.9 response

AGREED...........and what Marck C said is very true......about using the rule book to maximize the cars potential.......the driver ability is the key to having a winning package...........

[toyracer]

the 1:19+ was given an immediate 1:20.9 response

I'm not sure what is meant by this...?

[Finishliner]

the 1:19+ was given an immediate 1:20.9 response

I'm not sure what is meant by this...?

I dont believe there is a meaning 

[Caldina03]

the 1:19+ was given an immediate 1:20.9 response

I'm not sure what is meant by this...?

I dont believe there is a meaning 

Actually there is....Answer below






What was Doug's time after David did 1.19+ ?

[toyracer]

the 1:19+ was given an immediate 1:20.9 response

I'm not sure what is meant by this...?

I dont believe there is a meaning 

Actually there is....Answer below






What was Doug's time after David did 1.19+ ?

I suppose that the suggestion is that the "response" to 1:19.095 was 1:20.833, a time 1.73 second slower... but I am still missing the meaning behind it... unless it is being suggested that a 1.73 second gap is close?

[Herbalife]

I suppose that the suggestion is that the "response" to 1:19.095 was 1:20.833, a time 1.73 second slower... but I am still missing the meaning behind it... unless it is being suggested that a 1.73 second gap is as close as they can get?

Maybe...just maybe.

[toyracer]

I suppose that the suggestion is that the "response" to 1:19.095 was 1:20.833, a time 1.73 second slower... but I am still missing the meaning behind it... unless it is being suggested that a 1.73 second gap is as close as they can get?

Maybe...just maybe.

Careful how you change the words I typed when quoting me... someone once did that a few years ago and got me into all kinds of trouble with a tuner/racer in Mandeville.

[Herbalife]

I suppose that the suggestion is that the "response" to 1:19.095 was 1:20.833, a time 1.73 second slower... but I am still missing the meaning behind it... unless it is being suggested that a 1.73 second gap is as close as they can get?

Maybe...just maybe.

Careful how you change the words I typed when quoting me... someone once did that a few years ago and got me into all kinds of trouble with a tuner/racer in Mandeville.

*Disclaimer: I cannot be held responsible for those who were born with paper-thin skin.*

[agribrown]

Why read into what's not there?   David ran 1:19.095 Doug than ran 1:20.83.... His best time on minutes after David raised the bar.... That is a response he was trying to better 1:19.095.....  See how simple..... Its called racing!!!!!!!

[toyracer]

Why read into what's not there?   David ran 1:19.095 Doug than ran 1:20.83.... His best time on minutes after David raised the bar.... That is a response he was trying to better 1:19.095.....  See how simple..... Its called racing!!!!!!!

agribrown, I'm still not getting the point you were trying to make with your initial statement...

As for the record...... As long as it don't rain......... the 1:19+ was given an immediate 1:20.9 response

[jmcn R]

Why read into what's not there?   David ran 1:19.095 Doug than ran 1:20.83.... His best time on minutes after David raised the bar.... That is a response he was trying to better 1:19.095.....  See how simple..... Its called racing!!!!!!!

agribrown, I'm still not getting the point you were trying to make with your initial statement...

As for the record...... As long as it don't rain......... the 1:19+ was given an immediate 1:20.9 response

TR, how do you expect him to understand that you don't understand without the bunny picture?

[HOLLYWOOD]

I told my guys, and David comfirms this (this is also why the times were slower at the last race meet) when we go out to put those times down at a track like Dover the risk factor is HUGE.. I am talking late braking to the max, holding your foot down Pinky's bluff, turning the car smashing the gas and hoping the car does not leap into the side of a wall or guard rail, (if you have ever raced at Dover you will understand what i mean).
Its not so easy, also when David did those times at Dover he wore SUPER SOFT tires which are only good for qualifying, sometimes guys it is about the money and how bad you want it. This race meet i only bought 6 tires, We are allowed 8, Gary and Chris only bought 4 each. Guy whats my old ones from the last race meet.  Times like this to go and spend that kind of money were will it end.
Don't look for any records from our camp, but don't worry we are going for the win...
 

[Duct Tape]

This just in from someone highly placed in the CMRC:

The Automotive Art Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution 5 of defending Caribbean Motor Racing Champion Stuart Maloney now boasts a WRC Lancer gearbox, active differentials and paddle shift, all working to put 780 whp and 800 ft/lbs of torque to the ground!
I think this car should be a sight to see at Dover come May 24 and 25, and again in Barbados for the 2nd round of the CMRC when it goes up against the Ford Focus of R. Mayers.

[logic]

This just in from someone highly placed in the CMRC:

The Automotive Art Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution 5 of defending Caribbean Motor Racing Champion Stuart Maloney now boasts a WRC Lancer gearbox, active differentials and paddle shift, all working to put 780 whp and 800 ft/lbs of torque to the ground!
I think this car should be a sight to see at Dover come May 24 and 25, and again in Barbados for the 2nd round of the CMRC when it goes up against the Ford Focus of R. Mayers.

The car always had the WRC box and the active diffs though

[Duct Tape]

The car always had the WRC box and the active diffs though

Thank you logic.
They never had to handle 780whp and 800ft/lb of torque before with the paddle shift though, did they?
What else can you say about Team Barbados' preparation?

Really wish the Focus were making the trip as well.
Maybe a target to shoot for would be for SM to set new lap records at all three Caribbean tracks that the series will run?

[logic]

The car always had the WRC box and the active diffs though

Thank you logic.
They never had to handle 780whp and 800ft/lb of torque before with the paddle shift though, did they?
What else can you say about Team Barbados' preparation?

The paddle shift is a simple air system used in A1 GP and some other type of racing , an Evo i look after here runs the same system with the same box and we have had no problems with it. I do not know about the hp and tq quote .

[marck_c]

I told my guys, and David comfirms this (this is also why the times were slower at the last race meet) when we go out to put those times down at a track like Dover the risk factor is HUGE.. I am talking late braking to the max, holding your foot down Pinky's bluff, turning the car smashing the gas and hoping the car does not leap into the side of a wall or guard rail, (if you have ever raced at Dover you will understand what i mean).
Its not so easy, also when David did those times at Dover he wore SUPER SOFT tires which are only good for qualifying, sometimes guys it is about the money and how bad you want it. This race meet i only bought 6 tires, We are allowed 8, Gary and Chris only bought 4 each. Guy whats my old ones from the last race meet.  Times like this to go and spend that kind of money were will it end.
Don't look for any records from our camp, but don't worry we are going for the win...
 

Very revealing, this statement is

[Shifter Kart]

so marck, you've never done that?

[Duct Tape]

Most serious drivers do that. If you never did that before Marck, you are not a serious driver!!!!!
It's good for at least a quarter second.

Really though, many years ago when I was a youngster, I noticed that it was only Peter and Mark Moodie that did that, and I said to myself that if I ever got the chance to race at Dover, that is one thing I had to do, since the "greats" in my mind had done that. That is one secret to a very fast lap time at Dover. There are a few others that careful scrutiny of the better drivers on the track viewed from various points around the track rather than from in the pits or on the grandstand, will reveal.
Another one is what gear to take the former Caribrake (now Kumho Tyres/Tyre warehouse) corner in. lets just say it is actually one gear higher than most people go through it, but of course it depends on your car setup, gearing and power.
These lessons can be learned when one works as a marshal at different points on the track.
One can learn what to do and one can learn what not to do.

[marck_c]

so marck, you've never done that?

On the contrary I always do, I am suprised that Doug does'nt.

[Duct Tape]

It's easy to tell who does and who doesn't. The gullyside is the perfect spot to observe this.
Some people with some very fast cars actually apply the brake at this point. 

[marck_c]

It's easy to tell who does and who doesn't. The gullyside is the perfect spot to observe this.
Some people with some very fast cars actually apply the brake at this point. 

All you have to do is watch for the brake lights.

[Duct Tape]

On the contrary, i know of several racers who have their brake lights wired to an independent switch to fool their competitors, especially going into turn one and playing the "who's gonna brake first " game..
You can listen out for the brake squeal though.

[evolution lover]

On the contrary, i know of several racers who have their brake lights wired to an independent switch to fool their competitors, especially going into turn one and playing the "who's gonna brake first " game..
You can listen out for the brake squeal though.

MAD..high stakes chicken..very cool but deceiving thing to do

Question ive been to dover and watched racer but still dont know which corner is called what...based on the vid which corner is pinky's bluff and going flat out in a specific area wouldnt be determined on the car in the sense of the actual speed your car is carrying and its ability to make it around the bend without breaking loose or flipping...ie your entry speed based on cars power and the cars ability to stay on the line or edge so to speak

Just say at what time pinkys bluff occurs altho from the name mentions bluff i get the idea of where you speak but to be clear

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k86Zot6t3mY

also with 780whp and 800lb/ft is maloney car gonna be like this..that is some unruly horsepower AND TORQUE on a track with little room for error

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOP3_1TsXs4

[Duct Tape]

0.25 Corner 1- Goodyear corner, double apex makes it corners 1 & 2.
0.36 Kumho tyres (formerly Caribrake) corner in front of main spectator area. Corner 3.
0.43 Pinky's bluff, so named because Clinton 'Pinky" McGann had an accident there and his helmet flew through the window. Some of us thought his head was still in it. Corner 4.
0.46 Goodride/Triangle tyres (formerly Federal and before that ATL/Yamaha) Corner 5.
0.54 Pepsi racing hairpin corner 6
1.04 Berger paints/DuPont corner 7
Backstraight
1.15 Under bridge at main entrance leads to chicane Corner 8.
1.22 Carib Cement corner 9
1.28 RAC esses corner 10 then leads over the grade onto the front straight.

Note: these corner numbers are how the  Marshalling Club of Jamaica names the corners.
Information gained from Donald Fuller, President, Marshalling Club of Jamaica .

[Duct Tape]

also with 780whp and 800lb/ft is maloney car gonna be like this..that is some unruly horsepower on a track with little room for error

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOP3_1TsXs4

I doubt the Gobstopper had the 3 active diffs that the AA Evo has.

[little wicked]

yes

[logic]

yes

It has a center active diff , as it is a GRP N Modena box with a RCMS sequential kit on it.

[redbwoy]

Missa Hollyvood's description of what it takes to do a 'hot lap' thru the Gully Side /  Pinky's Bluff complex = "big seed mon" tings ... pure and simple ... big big respec' for the 'insight', sir ...

... over the years I've watched that corner literally separate dem de mon deh from the wannabees ... including the incident with Pinky ... when (in my humble opinion) mon like Peter Moodie, Chris Issa, Michael Lewis, Robert Moyston, etc were 'kings' ...

... it has got to be one of the most thrilling corner complexes in this region (based on video footage seen of the other Caribbean tracks) ... which I would suspect gives our local mon dem an advantage over visiting newcomers ... long live Dover!!!

[EMorris]

Mr Duct T i think u and i and many others have said and have been proven times and times again, that the whole heap of HP and Torque thing just cause di car dem fi bruk down after a few laps or cant make it pass qualifying day etc, etc, - WE all want to see these very fast cars complete the event and I will say it again that as much as i like to talk about horsepower and thing -That alone cannot win -more so at dover. - The TA1 can achieve that type of figures  whenever they choose. however they choose not to. Whatever that  AA car come here with it will be beaten by the maaaad TA1 and the cross and Angggry Doug. Watch and see! Cant speak about Marc C bad machine because it has not been tested yet but i am sure that car and driver combination will be a force to reckon with.

AA evo had a good run last season when the others (RX,s included) had a bad run -Hope the playing field gets level this season in every department and then we will see who is the real big driva.   

[evolution lover]

yes

yes it had the 3 diffs?...the gobbstopper i mean

Tnaks alot on all the corner DT

[burns]

the gobstoper fastest curcuit car i ever seen. i saw rexase  in austrilla and that cant come neat the gobstoper.


would love to see maloney or mayers  driveing with it.

[evolution lover]

the gobstoper fastest curcuit car i ever seen. i saw rexase  in austrilla and that cant come neat the gobstoper.


would love to see maloney or mayers  driveing with it.

u mean fighting with cause thasts a battle in itself

[Shifter Kart]

the Gobstopper is just raw power. I doubt its cornering abilities are relatively good compared with Time Attack cars from Japan and even the States.

[Teach]

Actually, Dover has 13 corners, and two unnamed apex.

Corner 1 is the Goodyear which opens into Corner 2 then over the first unnamed apex, which I call 'Apex X' then into the Tyre Warehouse Corner (3) then pass Pinky's Bluff into Corner 4's downhill treachery, which is actually one of the safest corners at Dover (if you understand physics), then to the Goodride Corner (5) which is a wonderful uphill that requires balls to be driven properly, then to Corner 6, the Pepsi Hairpin which carries you pass the second unnamed apex there the wall deflects to the right, up to Corner 7 with the nice Dupont Wall to stop you if you're over zealous and lose!  The back straight carries you under the bridge and into Corner 8, the left hander which immediately goes into the right hander Corner 9, which is either a jump or a corner, depending on your mood.  The third safest corner on the track (according to the laws of physics) is Corner 10, the Carib Cement corner, where passing is oh so sweet (for the passer) and surprising (for the passee).  Corner 11 is the steep uphill left hander that begins the RAC Esses before hitting the last right hander on the track (corner 12) then up the final hill to the highest point on the track through Corner 13 onto the front straight...

Courtesy of Jamspeed Performance Driving School - BASIC MAP

[toyracer]

Actually, Dover has 13 corners, and two unnamed apex.

You seem to have missed this part of his post...

Note: these corner numbers are how the  Marshalling Club of Jamaica names the corners.
Information gained from Donald Fuller, President, Marshalling Club of Jamaica .

Shifter's R&C, next on the pandemic list...?

[Duct Tape]

A day late and a dollar short......
Why can't we just all get along?

To borrow a phrase: "For those who understand, no explanation is necessary. For those who don't, no explanation is possible."

Even in my writings and announcing of the races, I say that the track has 13 corners. Thats a given.
The note attached to the post above was simply to use an accepted form of recognition that has been in use at the track for a number of years by the contracted marshals.
There are really several ways to skin a cat.

[rvr-madness @ Druggz Lab Inc.]

Mr Duct T i think u and i and many others have said and have been proven times and times again, that the whole heap of HP and Torque thing just cause di car dem fi bruk down after a few laps or cant make it pass qualifying day etc, etc, - WE all want to see these very fast cars complete the event and I will say it again that as much as i like to talk about horsepower and thing -That alone cannot win -more so at dover. - The TA1 can achieve that type of figures  whenever they choose. however they choose not to. Whatever that  AA car come here with it will be beaten by the maaaad TA1 and the cross and Angggry Doug. Watch and see! Cant speak about Marc C bad machine because it has not been tested yet but i am sure that car and driver combination will be a force to reckon with.

AA evo had a good run last season when the others (RX,s included) had a bad run -Hope the playing field gets level this season in every department and then we will see who is the real big driva.   

Endorsed...

[rvr-madness @ Druggz Lab Inc.]

also with 780whp and 800lb/ft is maloney car gonna be like this..that is some unruly horsepower on a track with little room for error

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOP3_1TsXs4

I doubt the Gobstopper had the 3 active diffs that the AA Evo has.

I doubt the Gobstopper can handle Dover

[rvr-madness @ Druggz Lab Inc.]

the gobstoper fastest curcuit car i ever seen. i saw rexase  in austrilla and that cant come neat the gobstoper.


would love to see maloney or mayers  driveing with it.

u mean fighting with cause thasts a battle in itself

[rvr-madness @ Druggz Lab Inc.]

the Gobstopper is just raw power. I doubt its cornering abilities are relatively good compared with Time Attack cars from Japan and even the States.

they need to sell that car to the drift king

[rvr-madness @ Druggz Lab Inc.]

Actually, Dover has 13 corners, and two unnamed apex.

Corner 1 is the Goodyear which opens into Corner 2 then over the first unnamed apex, which I call 'Apex X' then into the Tyre Warehouse Corner (3) then pass Pinky's Bluff into Corner 4's downhill treachery, which is actually one of the safest corners at Dover (if you understand physics), then to the Goodride Corner (5) which is a wonderful uphill that requires balls to be driven properly, then to Corner 6, the Pepsi Hairpin which carries you pass the second unnamed apex there the wall deflects to the right, up to Corner 7 with the nice Dupont Wall to stop you if you're over zealous and lose!  The back straight carries you under the bridge and into Corner 8, the left hander which immediately goes into the right hander Corner 9, which is either a jump or a corner, depending on your mood.  The third safest corner on the track (according to the laws of physics) is Corner 10, the Carib Cement corner, where passing is oh so sweet (for the passer) and surprising (for the passee).  Corner 11 is the steep uphill left hander that begins the RAC Esses before hitting the last right hander on the track (corner 12) then up the final hill to the highest point on the track through Corner 13 onto the front straight...

Courtesy of Jamspeed Performance Driving School - BASIC MAP

Dont need no more explanation