Neil Armstong's Starlet Rebuild

[BajanRallyFan]

There is another really interesting rally car build which has just been completed in Barbados right now...

Remember Neil Armstrong's giant killing Starlet which met an untimely demise while transiting between stages in RB06?



Well, Neil was determined to rebuild and started with this shell  in 2006....



After a lot of painstaking work, the UGLY ducking has now been transformed into this stunning piece of machinery..






Check ZHAUST for the full project and more pics

[Shifter Kart]

how did that accident happen?

[UTEN]

flippin amazin, i want a set of those wheel arches

jordan u seein this?

[jmcn R]

how did that accident happen?

I rmbr that, it was some guy in on highway transit in his WRX was speeding and clipped the back of the Starlet. The rest was history.


I was hoping to see that car come back as a pure rally car, it really had the potential to prove a poor mans S1600!!

[toyracer]

BajanRallyFan, is it possible to get larger pictures? It looks great.

[Western]

im not really a toyota fan ,,but,,,,,,,,

[Torquey aka Rallysport]

+1 Bajanrallyfan for these motor-erotic pics 

[Duct Tape]

The pictures need to be posted here. Pure automotive porn I tell you. Almost as good looking as the Trini girls.

[Western]

sequential shifting,almost big brakes, wide track, adjustable roll bar,almost formula atlantic spec engine(i woulda jus tune a black top,,cheaper for the same power) longer suspension travel  stac dash,most likely with data logging capabilities  could be fun

[Duct Tape]

Show me the blacktop 20 valve that gives the 240bhp that this 16-16 does.

[marck_c]

That's beautifull 

[toyracer]

Show me the blacktop 20 valve that gives the 240bhp that this 16-16 does.

Exactly. I don't know where the hype over the 20-valve comes from, a 16-valve 4A-GE will ultimately make more power.

[Western]

Show me the blacktop 20 valve that gives the 240bhp that this 16-16 does.

  with minor tweeks the black top can make 190whp (~225 hp) for about 15000usd less,,, it also is way more drivable....that last 10-15hp from the formula atlantic is on the wrong side of 10000rpm,which in the toyota world means,,,it nah last too long...........plus the engine in that car is not a formula atlantic spec engine according to what the owner told me some time ago

[J.T.P]

Show me the blacktop 20 valve that gives the 240bhp that this 16-16 does.

  with minor tweeks the black top can make 190whp (~225 hp) for about 15000usd less,,, it also is way more drivable....that last 10-15hp from the formula atlantic is on the wrong side of 10000rpm,which in the toyota world means,,,it nah last too long...........plus the engine in that car is not a formula atlantic spec engine according to what the owner told me some time ago

190whp!!!!!!!!!!!! What exactly do you call minor tweeks?

[Don Corleone]

bolting on a td04, apparently...

[Western]

Show me the blacktop 20 valve that gives the 240bhp that this 16-16 does.

  with minor tweeks the black top can make 190whp (~225 hp) for about 15000usd less,,, it also is way more drivable....that last 10-15hp from the formula atlantic is on the wrong side of 10000rpm,which in the toyota world means,,,it nah last too long...........plus the engine in that car is not a formula atlantic spec engine according to what the owner told me some time ago

190whp!!!!!!!!!!!! What exactly do you call minor tweeks?

trus mi,its easier than you think,,but right now its trade secret for me, so if i tell you i might have to kill you      

[toyracer]

with minor tweeks the black top can make 190whp (~225 hp) for about 15000usd less,,, it also is way more drivable....that last 10-15hp from the formula atlantic is on the wrong side of 10000rpm,which in the toyota world means,,,it nah last too long...........plus the engine in that car is not a formula atlantic spec engine according to what the owner told me some time ago

What "wrong side of 10,000rpm" are you going on about? Engines in the Formula Atlantic series run with a mandated rpm limit of 10,000 rpm and those engines will buzz there all day long. And, if you've got a 20-valve making 190whp for US$15,000 less than a F/A engine that means you got the 20-valve and mods for free, because that's what a F/A costs these days. Also, 240 is not the limit for a F/A engine, that's just the figure that teams will admit to. I've seen one on an engine dyno record over 245, and that was back in the days before they went to EFI...

Would love to see the list of "minor tweeks" that puts a 20-valve at 190hp, along with the dyno sheet. Don't get me wrong, the 20-valve is a nice engine, and darn good in stock trim, but once you get serious with mods the 16-valve will do better.

[パルサー Raggy]

RWD?

Based on rear wheel arches, seems that way.

Peace

[evolution lover]

There is another really interesting rally car build which has just been completed in Barbados right now...

Remember Neil Armstrong's giant killing Starlet which met an untimely demise while transiting between stages in RB06?



Well, Neil was determined to rebuild and started with this shell  in 2006....



After a lot of painstaking work, the UGLY ducking has now been transformed into this stunning piece of machinery..






Check ZHAUST for the full project and more pics

WHAT THE HELL IS THAT and why is it on a racetrack..that car no ready yet tell the owner try again cause WIDEBODY STARLET =FAIL.......................................................AAAAHH after that could you tell the owner to ship that to Kingston Jamaica 24 Havendale...ahem i mean purely for scrapping purposes cause i can think of nothing better to do with that than sleep in it carry it to kunk yard...Dont stress himself just send it here and i will have scrapped for spar parts








*rubs hands* i hope this works.Honmestly tho beat that man dont make him carry it pon the track fi get beat up beat up that need fi deh inna one showroom or weekend driver

[Western]

with minor tweeks the black top can make 190whp (~225 hp) for about 15000usd less,,, it also is way more drivable....that last 10-15hp from the formula atlantic is on the wrong side of 10000rpm,which in the toyota world means,,,it nah last too long...........plus the engine in that car is not a formula atlantic spec engine according to what the owner told me some time ago

What "wrong side of 10,000rpm" are you going on about? Engines in the Formula Atlantic series run with a mandated rpm limit of 10,000 rpm and those engines will buzz there all day long. And, if you've got a 20-valve making 190whp for US$15,000 less than a F/A engine that means you got the 20-valve and mods for free, because that's what a F/A costs these days. Also, 240 is not the limit for a F/A engine, that's just the figure that teams will admit to. I've seen one on an engine dyno record over 245, and that was back in the days before they went to EFI...

Would love to see the list of "minor tweeks" that puts a 20-valve at 190hp, along with the dyno sheet. Don't get me wrong, the 20-valve is a nice engine, and darn good in stock trim, but once you get serious with mods the 16-valve will do better.

 what did  f/a engines cost back in the day ? 20v is nice for the money up to that point, cause you are basically spending next to nothing compared to the f/a,,so i would be willing to give up 10hp for only spending 1500us   plus ide still have the vvt, so ide have better low end, more drivability,,,,a much better deal for our soft pockets right now.......i dont think you would see the difference on a rally stage

[andrez4]

So if a Black top 20 valve engine could make similar power at less money why wouldn't the FA series use it?

Anyways http://www.hasselgren.com/    link to the engine builders IM sure there are more but I hear they are the best

BTW awesome car and it was built in bim. 

[J.T.P]

with minor tweeks the black top can make 190whp (~225 hp) for about 15000usd less,,, it also is way more drivable....that last 10-15hp from the formula atlantic is on the wrong side of 10000rpm,which in the toyota world means,,,it nah last too long...........plus the engine in that car is not a formula atlantic spec engine according to what the owner told me some time ago

What "wrong side of 10,000rpm" are you going on about? Engines in the Formula Atlantic series run with a mandated rpm limit of 10,000 rpm and those engines will buzz there all day long. And, if you've got a 20-valve making 190whp for US$15,000 less than a F/A engine that means you got the 20-valve and mods for free, because that's what a F/A costs these days. Also, 240 is not the limit for a F/A engine, that's just the figure that teams will admit to. I've seen one on an engine dyno record over 245, and that was back in the days before they went to EFI...

Would love to see the list of "minor tweeks" that puts a 20-valve at 190hp, along with the dyno sheet. Don't get me wrong, the 20-valve is a nice engine, and darn good in stock trim, but once you get serious with mods the 16-valve will do better.

 what did  f/a engines cost back in the day ? 20v is nice for the money up to that point, cause you are basically spending next to nothing compared to the f/a,,so i would be willing to give up 10hp for only spending 1500us   plus ide still have the vvt, so ide have better low end, more drivability,,,,a much better deal for our soft pockets right now.......i dont think you would see the difference on a rally stage

20V for our use is great in stock trim, but it will never make the same amount of power as the 16 once you start adding on parts. If you can or know how to get 190whp out of a 20v with minor mods (no turbo allowed), you can make some serious money, so dont keep it a secrete!!!!


I have been following this starlet build over at zhaust and I am glad it turned out this way, it just shows what can be done when you really have your mind and pocket set to a vision. Well done Niel and all involved.

[Duct Tape]

Show me the blacktop 20 valve that gives the 240bhp that this 16-16 does.

  with minor tweeks the black top can make 190whp (~225 hp) for about 15000usd less,,, it also is way more drivable....that last 10-15hp from the formula atlantic is on the wrong side of 10000rpm,which in the toyota world means,,,it nah last too long...........plus the engine in that car is not a formula atlantic spec engine according to what the owner told me some time ago

190whp!!!!!!!!!!!! What exactly do you call minor tweeks?

trus mi,its easier than you think,,but right now its trade secret for me, so if i tell you i might have to kill you      

It look like yuh nuh love money Western, cuz if you did, and can get 190 whp from a mostly stock 20 valve, you could be making some serious money not only here in jamaica but worldwide.
Looks like you may die wid dat secret, so of what use is the knowledge?

[Toyoman]

Making 190 whp out of a 20v is no secret. Right now there is a Levin for sale in the Uk with a dyno sheet of 193bhp, there is also a starlet in Malaysia on youtube making a similar amount of hp. These guys all went with toda cams, trd valve springs and ecu tuning. I have heard rumors about over 200whp from a 20v in Japan but I have not been able to confirm it. Rev limits for these cars were raised to 9000 rpm and they are daily drivers. So Western putting your bias aside Toyota engines have proven their longevity in WHATEVER racing platform they are in. You are deluded since thats a well known fact.

[Western]

Show me the blacktop 20 valve that gives the 240bhp that this 16-16 does.

  with minor tweeks the black top can make 190whp (~225 hp) for about 15000usd less,,, it also is way more drivable....that last 10-15hp from the formula atlantic is on the wrong side of 10000rpm,which in the toyota world means,,,it nah last too long...........plus the engine in that car is not a formula atlantic spec engine according to what the owner told me some time ago

190whp!!!!!!!!!!!! What exactly do you call minor tweeks?

trus mi,its easier than you think,,but right now its trade secret for me, so if i tell you i might have to kill you      

It look like yuh nuh love money Western, cuz if you did, and can get 190 whp from a mostly stock 20 valve, you could be making some serious money not only here in jamaica but worldwide.
Looks like you may die wid dat secret, so of what use is the knowledge?

personal gratification......im no mechanic , but a lot off the stuff ive done or said can be done are usually looked at as strange from some people who claim to "know", so when i do do stuff , its usually reserved to me and persons directly involved, as i dont do it for the money.....  back in the days when people were turbocharging swift gtis and making 145whp and thought that to make more you needed to spend big money, i did my research and found i could do much better with a lot less spent......i ended up makin 200+whp on a swift with stuff i found around the house and under my bed   i even tunned it myself, without any specialised tools,then took it to sav to dyno for results,,,,,,,,,, ive never had an engine failure.....(...if someone wants to leave a 20v with me for a while  ill tell you exactly where the limit is  ).... if other people took time out to look into what they were doing, they too can do it

[Western]

Western putting your bias aside Toyota engines have proven their longevity in WHATEVER racing platform they are in. You are deluded since thats a well known fact.

longevity is relative,,,,some people think that a grp n subaru engine is reliable and good when it last for 1200km,,,same thing when the toyota engine last for one year(1200km racing)

[Shifter Kart]

Making 190 whp out of a 20v is no secret. Right now there is a Levin for sale in the Uk with a dyno sheet of 193bhp, there is also a starlet in Malaysia on youtube making a similar amount of hp. These guys all went with toda cams, trd valve springs and ecu tuning. I have heard rumors about over 200whp from a 20v in Japan but I have not been able to confirm it. Rev limits for these cars were raised to 9000 rpm and they are daily drivers. So Western putting your bias aside Toyota engines have proven their longevity in WHATEVER racing platform they are in. You are deluded since thats a well known fact.

clarify this some more, as bhp is not the same as whp...

[J.T.P]

Making 190 whp out of a 20v is no secret. Right now there is a Levin for sale in the Uk with a dyno sheet of 193bhp, there is also a starlet in Malaysia on youtube making a similar amount of hp. These guys all went with toda cams, trd valve springs and ecu tuning. I have heard rumors about over 200whp from a 20v in Japan but I have not been able to confirm it. Rev limits for these cars were raised to 9000 rpm and they are daily drivers. So Western putting your bias aside Toyota engines have proven their longevity in WHATEVER racing platform they are in. You are deluded since thats a well known fact.

We are talking about whp not bhp and once you start going Toda, to me you are no longer in the minor mods bracket. If your gonna spend that kind of money they 16v is the way to go, but if your gonna stay stock 20V is the best.

[Western]

toda is only 1000usd,,,,,,u still have 14000usd saved from not going 16-16    anyway,,mek mi low de yota man dem mek dem do them ting...........carry on boss

[gregorybrav4]

toda is only 1000usd,,,,,,u still have 14000usd saved from not going 16-16    anyway,,mek mi low de yota man dem mek dem do them ting...........carry on boss

SK ask u ,, clarify your 200 ?hp. is it whp or bhp , and with an achievement like that an u say u dyno it care to show the sheet 

[Pizza]

Car looks amazing.

[Western]

toda is only 1000usd,,,,,,u still have 14000usd saved from not going 16-16    anyway,,mek mi low de yota man dem mek dem do them ting...........carry on boss

SK ask u ,, clarify your 200 ?hp. is it whp or bhp , and with an achievement like that an u say u dyno it care to show the sheet 

i see R&C has got you too,,,,he did not ask me,,,and it was clarified

[Western]

with minor tweeks the black top can make 190whp (~225 hp) for about 15000usd less,,, it also is way more drivable....that last 10-15hp from the formula atlantic is on the wrong side of 10000rpm,which in the toyota world means,,,it nah last too long...........plus the engine in that car is not a formula atlantic spec engine according to what the owner told me some time ago

What "wrong side of 10,000rpm" are you going on about? Engines in the Formula Atlantic series run with a mandated rpm limit of 10,000 rpm and those engines will buzz there all day long. And, if you've got a 20-valve making 190whp for US$15,000 less than a F/A engine that means you got the 20-valve and mods for free, because that's what a F/A costs these days. Also, 240 is not the limit for a F/A engine, that's just the figure that teams will admit to. I've seen one on an engine dyno record over 245, and that was back in the days before they went to EFI...

Would love to see the list of "minor tweeks" that puts a 20-valve at 190hp, along with the dyno sheet. Don't get me wrong, the 20-valve is a nice engine, and darn good in stock trim, but once you get serious with mods the 16-valve will do better.

just tugging your chain a bit TR,,,,,,do you know this car?            http://www.ae86.hu/en/2008/01/hasselgren-fa-motoros-trueno/

[Western]

specs are as follows   
Specification:

TRD Formula Atlantic Spec 4AGE 20V Engine
1.6L with 12.8 to 1 Compression Ratio
TODA Racing camshaft IN 288/ EX 288 9.0 lift
TODA Valve springs
TODA cam gears
Special SS valves & valve guide
TRD 0.8mm head gasket
Escort Racing 81.25mm pistons
TRD connecting rods
TRD Crank Shaft
Special Modified oil pump
Haltech ECU
Setrab 19rows oil cooler
Griffin radiator
TRD close ratio/original transmission
Tilton Twin Plate clutch
Carbon driveshaft
KAAZ 2way LSD
4.8 final gear

SWIFT front coilover springs/ rear coil springs
Front special fully adjustable shock housing with Tokiko HTS shocks
TRD sway bars
Battle Version(Alex Pfeiffer) special rod links and steering angle modification

Hawk HT-10 brake pads
Earl’s brake lines

JDM Dori Dori mesh f:15×7/ r:15×7.5
Toyo Proxes T1-R 195/50/15

FRP body kit
FRP rear hatch
Carbon Fiber hood
JDM taillights

Custom 6 point roll cage with full chassis stitch welding
Bride Zeta III bucket seats
Nardi Steering wheel

[cl stimpy]

  this look real sweet  for the best lookin ep

[toyracer]

just tugging your chain a bit TR,,,,,,do you know this car?            http://www.ae86.hu/en/2008/01/hasselgren-fa-motoros-trueno/

Hi Western, yes, I've seen that car before, and the other AE86 (actually, more than one) they did with a genuine FA 16-valve as well.

As nice as the specs are on that engine, it isn't to FA specifications. For one, the duration on the both camshafts is too short, and are not staggered, as is the case with FA. It's C/R is slightly higher than FA, most likely because it's bore is larger as well. The throttle bodies are shorter than those used in FA, and are actually the stock 20-valve setup.

If you're ever in Kingston, call me and I'll share the FA info I have; the complete build sheets and instructions from the FA series itself.

That's a nice 20-valve engine to be sure.

Here's the genuine FA engine in the AE86 Hasselgren built for Formula Drift.

[Western]

 i have a picture of that engine,,,,,but the one i have doesn't show the extra fuel rail in front of the velocity stacks    as for the staggered cams in the engine,, thats something ive not been able to fully figure out.,,,,,yet,,,,..while i know it might be necessary to balance the flow of intake and exhaust,,,,there seems to be some small detail im still missing,,so for now im not too fond of the idea........ive been looking into the applications where that configuration was used by suzuki for grp a,( 2   54   22   28   56   256   264   224   234   0.354"   0.354"       Factory Rally)  and to me all it did was narrow the powerband ,as the peak figures are the same but the band is narrower when compared to     05C   60   14   11   63   254   254   220   220   0.355"   0.355"   cosworth BD. 14) all the dynos ive seen basically had the same setup,,except some had ITBs wich only made a 5whp difference at peak........i wonder if staggered cams  made a difference on the toyotas head 

[CRX Resurrection]

Back to the topic. That Starlet SELL OFF. Bajan's have it lock when it comes to building some awsome machines  What do these guys do for a living I'm just trying to get my car back on the track nothing special if I was to take on one of these projects I would never get done. 

[Western]

dont worry bout it ,,yu jus born under the wrong moon,or have the wrong last name,,,and dont like gardening or yu bed turn the wrong way in yu room ( if yu figure it out mek mi know)

[Western]

  on a serious note though,,,they might actually get paid to work

[burns]

bajan rally fan qustion is this car set up for rallying  or busy park.

i am not a evo fan but he runing close has hell to the wrc cars in that ride.


i always said after  roger mayers he is the best driver in barbados to

get out of a two wheel drive car and drive a 4wd one.

[Corporate thug]

  sweeeeeeeeet

[Sharpshifter]

need some pic of this car 

[col0170]

More pictures here
http://www.ni-motorsport.co.uk/ep82/

[Western]

yow ,    not really a toyota fan but da cyar yah bad nuh banana trash

[CRX Resurrection]

yow ,    not really a toyota fan but da cyar yah bad nuh banana trash

Seconded.

Are there any specs available?

[Sharpshifter]

More pictures here
http://www.ni-motorsport.co.uk/ep82/

thanks 

[4E-FTE]

bajan rally fan qustion is this car set up for rallying  or busy park.

i am not a evo fan but he runing close has hell to the wrc cars in that ride.


i always said after  roger mayers he is the best driver in barbados to

get out of a two wheel drive car and drive a 4wd one.

Did that make a difference to Kriss Meeke