Dover Easter Monday,2009

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Thundersport race 1

Pos   Veh#   Name   Yr.   Make   Model   Disp.   BestTime   Laps
1   24   D. Gore   1998   Mitsubishi   Lancer Evo 5   2350T   01:22.908   5
2   33   C. Campbell   1997   Mitsubishi   Evolution   2350T   01:23.469   5
3   25   G. Williams   1999   Mitsubishi   Lancer Evo 6   2350T   01:25.271   5
4   27   S. Rae   1997   Mitsubishi   Mirage RS   1500T   01:31.973   5
5   0   D. Shaw   1981   Prochallenge   Pickup   1400   01:32.029   5
6   89   M. Whittingham   1995   Mitsubishi    Lancer Evo 2   2350T   01:32.148   5
7   1   M. Causwell   1997   Mitsubishi    Mirage   2000   01:30.746   4



Race Results For Thundersport Race 2                                                   
Pos   CPos   Veh#   Class   Name   Yr.   Make   Model   Disp.   BestTime   Laps
1   1   24   TS   D. Gore      Mitsubishi   Lancer Evo 5   2350T   01:22.596   5
2   2   33   TS   C. Campbell   1997   Mitsubishi   Lancer Evo 4   2300T   01:23.366   5
3   3   310   TS   S. Bansie      Subaru   Imprezza Sti Spec C   1990T   01:27.187   5
4   4   13   TS   S. Mohammed      Mitsubishi   Lancer Evo 3      01:30.579   5
5   5   26   TS   P. Rae   1991   Mazda   RX-7   2616 R   01:30.789   5
6   6   89   TS   M. Whittingham      Mitsubishi   Lancer Evo 2   2350T   01:32.452   5
7   7   0   TS   D. Shaw   1981   Prochallenge   Pickup   1400   01:32.333   5
8   8   27   TS   S. Rae   1997   Mitsubishi   Mirage RS   1500T   01:32.233   5
9   1   TX192      V. Handal      Mitsubishi   Lancer Evo 7   2000T   01:32.562   5
10   9   19   TS   R. Moyston   1971   Datsun   510   2000   01:36.122   5
11   10   85   TS   T. King   1990   Honda   Civic   1800   01:35.873   5
12   11   305   TS   I. Galbraith   1996   Suzuki   Swift GTI   1298T   01:29.706   2
13   12   25   TS   G. Williams   1999   Mitsubishi   Lancer Evo 6   2350T   59:59.999   1

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Race Results For MP 1, MP 3 Race 1                              
Race Results For MP

Pos CPos Veh# Class Name City/State Yr. Make Model Disp. BestTime Laps Interval
1 1 32 MP3 D. Summerbell Kingston 2004 Mitsubishi Lancer Evo 8 2270T 01:20.896 5 Lap 5
2 2 24 MP3 D. Gore      01:22.253 5 00:03:128
3 3 33 MP3 C. Campbell Frankfield 1997 Mitsubishi Lancer Evo 4 2300 01:23.833 5 00:18:338
4 4 25 MP3 G. Williams Montego Bay 1999 Mitsubishi Lancer Evo 6 2350T 01:23.660 5 00:31:638
5 5 26 MP3 P. Rae Kingston 1991 Mazda RX-7 2616 R 01:27.008 5 00:34:063
6 6 20 MP3 G. Bayley  2003 Mitsubishi Evolution 8  01:27.630 5 00:34:080
7 7 43 MP3 D. Anderson  2002 Mitsubishi Lancer Evo 6.5 2323 01:31.046 5 01:01:763
8 8 89 MP3 M. Whittingham      01:31.855 5 01:04:936
9 1 876 MP1 B. Foster  1993 Honda Civic 1786 01:36.942 5 01:17:628
10 2 17 MP1 D. Gilbert  1993 Suzuki Swift GTI 1520 01:37.264 5 01:29:064
11 1 38 MP2 O. Johnson  1993 Toyota Terecel 1300 01:38.804 5 01:38:086
12 3 91 MP1 N. Edwards   Golf Rabbit GTI 1600 01:39.483 5 01:43:404
13 4 77 MP1 A. Forbes  1992 Toyota Starlet 1600 01:45.696 4 Lap 4
14 5 85 MP1 T. King  1990 Honda Civic 1800 01:38.067 4 00:10:021
15 6 229 MP1 M. Groves  1991 Toyota Levin 1600 01:44.783 4 00:22:157
16 7 108 MP1 R. Singh  1986 Toyota Corolla GTS 1600 01:51.759 4 01:00:696
17 8 88 MP1 R. Chang  1991 Toyota Corolla 1587 01:39.678 3


Race Results For MP Race 2                              
                              
Pos   CPos   Veh#   Class   Name   Yr.   Make   Model   Disp.   BestTime   Laps
1   1   24   MP3   D. Gore   1998   Mitsubishi   Lancer Evo 5   2350T   01:23.631   7
2   2   33   MP3   C. Campbell   1997   Mitsubishi   Lancer Evo 4   2300   01:23.459   7
3   3   25   MP3   G. Williams   1999   Mitsubishi   Lancer Evo 6   2350T   01:26.516   7
4   4   20   MP3   G. Bayley   2003   Mitsubishi   Evolution 8      01:28.747   7
5   5   26   MP3   P. Rae   1991   Mazda   RX-7   2616 R   01:29.615   7
6   6   89   MP3   J. Handal   2002   Subaru   WRX   2500T   01:31.129   7
7   1   17   MP1   D. Gilbert   1993   Suzuki   Swift GTI   1520   01:36.924   7
8   2   144   MP1   G. Gregg   1994   Honda   Civic SIR   1600   01:35.030   7
9   3   229   MP1   M. Groves   1991   Toyota   Levin   1587   01:44.794   7
10   7   89   MP3   M. Whittingham   1995   Mitsubishi   Evolution 2   2350T   01:34.717   6
11   4   85   MP1   T. King   1990   Honda   Civic   1800   01:34.749   6
12   1   38   MP2   O. Johnson   1993   Toyota   Terecel   1331T   01:40.482   6
13   5   77   MP1   A. Forbes   1992   Toyota   Starlet   1587   01:44.929   6
14   6   108   MP1   R. Singh   1986   Toyota   Corolla GTS   1600   01:45.008   5
15   7   876   MP1   B. Foster   1993   Honda   Civic   1786   01:37.558   4
16   8   172   MP1   W. Small   1988   Toyota   Corolla   1587   01:48.625   4

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Race Results For IP45 Race 1                                                         
Pos   CPos   Veh#   Class   Name   Yr.   Make   Model   Disp.   BestTime   Laps
1   1   74   IP45   C. Maxwell   1998   Mitsubishi   Miarge RS   1998T   01:44.351   5   Breakout
2   2   3   IP45   C. White   2001   Mitsubishi   Evolution 7   1998T   01:44.383   5    Breakout
DISQ   DISQ   121   IP45   R. Donaldson   2003   Mitsubishi   Evolution 8   2000T   01:45.215   5
3   3   157   IP45   K. Diaz   2001   Mitsubishi   Lancer Evo 7   2000T   01:43.912   5   Breakout
4   4   846   IP45   N. Blenman   1995   Peugeot   306SR   1998   01:43.987   5   Breakout  5   
5   104   IP45   M. Laidlaw      Honda   Fit   1300   01:46.109   5
6   6   172   IP45   W. Small   1988   Toyota   Corolla   1600   01:46.428   5
7   7   1401   IP45   B. Shorter               01:48.756   5
DISQ   DISQ   94   IP45   K. Walker   1993   Honda   Civic   1600   01:50.510   5
8   8   114   IP45   C. Dawkins   1994   Toyota   Starlet   1600   01:51.379   5
9   9   11   IP45   M. Issacs      VW   Bug      02:10.358   2


Race Results For IP45 Race 2                                                         
Pos   CPos   Veh#   Class   Name   Yr.   Make   Model   Disp.   BestTime   Laps
1   1   121   IP45   R. Donaldson   2003   Mitsubishi   Evolution 8   2000T   01:44.958   5 Breakout
2   2   3   IP45   C. White   2001   Mitsubishi   Evolution 7      01:45.011   5
3   3   846   IP45   N. Blenman   1995   Peugeot   306SR   1998   01:45.256   5
4   4   172   IP45   W. Small   1988   Toyota   Corolla   1600   01:48.785   5
5   5   1401   IP45   B. Shorter               01:47.532   5
6   6   57   IP45   R. Byles      Suzuki   Swift GT1      01:47.773   5
7   7   94   IP45   K. Walker   1993   Honda   Civic   1600   01:50.337   5
8   8   114   IP45   C. Dawkins   1994   Toyota   Starlet   1600   01:51.450   5
9   9   157   IP45   K. Diaz   2001   Mitsubishi   Lancer Evo 7   2000T   01:44.199   5
10   10   11   IP45   M. Issacs      VW   Bug      02:02.165   5
11   11   104   IP45   M. Laidlaw      Honda   Fit   1300   01:48.052   2

[marck_c]

who is tx192?

TX192 is the transponder assigned to Victor Handal (Silver Evo 7). DuctTape unfortunately posted the results from an early copy of the results which were in a HTML format which precluded editing of small errors such as this one. Our sincere apologies, and assurances that the oversight has already been corrected in the official results and championship points postings.

[Ching: www.autolounge.com.jm]

In Teach's defense, I dont recall in recent times hearing him call it E10.

He doesn't have to...



...it's there for everyone to see.

Charles's car even has the words "87 octane" on the side, these days the "87" is semi-covered by a decal but the lower portion of the "7" can still be seen.

As Western said, disingenuous. Once a member of the general public sees "E10" they are going to relate it to 87 octane fuel, as that is the only one commercially available.

More fuel to the fire:


Read what it says under E10.
Now, if it was ever said or implied, or if people were led to believe that the race cars ran on the same fuel that any ordinary Joe could drive up to any gas pump and buy, or if it was ever implied that this fuel was why the cars ran how they ran, then that would be disingenious.

If however, what was said was that the cars ran on E10, then nothing is wrong, as has been stated, there can be E10 116 Octane race fuel or any Octane rating, as long as 10% Ethanol is in it, then it is E10.

I do remember repeatedly hearing however at the time of the launch and for weeks after that E10 was 87 octane and that E15 would be 90 Octane. Anyone else heard this as well?
Thats why it says "E10, sweet power, 87 Octane" on the side of the car pictured above.
Remember that Charles' Yellow Evo 5 had E20 on it at Dover before.

Funny though that the Lion sponsored by a fuel would be using something other than the sponsored fuel and then in front of the record crowd at Dover, display such a resulting detrioration of performance related to damage sustained by using another fuel.
Time has a way of catching up to all of us, as it is longer than rope. Be assured that what is done in the dark will eventually come to the light.

I dont buy the story though that using another fuel caused the engine damage in the Lion.
The average vehicle uses 30% more E10 or E anything by volume as compared to a comparable MTBE blended fuel.
If a car was programmed to run on E10, then using an inferior fuel would mean then that the car would be using 30% more fuel than was required from the Ethanol blend, and would in my estimation be running rich, rather than lean, and thus not very likely to damage a piston ring guide as stated by the Great One.
Since he has yet to pull the engine apart to asses the damage, I'll give him that much leeway that he has only guessed at the problem and that he may be wrong (as all of us are at times, but some more than others) concerning the cause of his current engine detrioration.

I figure if it were a lawnmower aka Honda however, it would not have made such a publicly embarrassing display.
As was clearly seen on Monday, Hondas do make excellent lawnmowers, as both Gary Gregg and Teddy Burton had trips off course into the very tall grass at trackside and really mowed clear paths through there. Anyone has any pictures of this?

And I'll say it again, a 3 cylinder Honda is still better than a....fill in the rest.
But not better than boost.
You have to respect the boost.
Alan Chen's Toyota has pistons and rings from a mashed up engine from Jeremy's car in December, and it ran round nuff tings Monday, including nuff Honda, so that Toyota wid old parts on boost better than nuff tings out dere, including lawnmovers, but is only dat one Toyota so far. 

my g/f just came on and saw the pic of the rx7 and asked if it used e10 ...

anyway on to other things .. this is the best organized dover ive seen props for the food court and the attempt to limit "illegal" vendors. exit thing kinda ruff still. my 2 cents.

[Western]

12   11   305   TS   I. Galbraith   1996   Suzuki   Swift GTI   1298T   01:29.706   2  
is this officially the fastest lap done by a suzuki swift at dover ?    was there a tool employed to measure engine cc on race day ?

[Natural Mystic]

wat was the crx fastest time? it looked very impressive

In MP2 race 2:
Class   Name   Yr.   Make   Model   Disp.   BestTime
MP2   P. Jaggon   1989   Honda   CRX   2000   01:27.695

New personal best, now the 2nd fastest front wheel drive of all time at the track.  , second only to Bernie Bush's 1:26.080 in the "Mugen" Acura Integra.

Hmmmmmm! The force is strong in this one...........Better still to come I believe. 

[Armchair racer]

DT if Mark and Ivan are tied for 1st would that mean I am in 2nd and not third?

who are you ?

[Ching: www.autolounge.com.jm]

12   11   305   TS   I. Galbraith   1996   Suzuki   Swift GTI   1298T   01:29.706   2  
is this officially the fastest lap done by a suzuki swift at dover ?    was there a tool employed to measure engine cc on race day ?

I dont know about rae day but i know they were measuring on qualifying day

[marck_c]

Race Results For MP 1, MP 3 Race 1                              
                              
Pos   CPos   Veh#   Class   Name   Yr.   Make   Model   Disp.   BestTime   Laps
1   1   24   MP3   D. Gore   1995   Mitsubishi   Lancer Evo 5   2350T   01:23.631   7
2   2   33   MP3   C. Campbell   1997   Mitsubishi   Lancer Evo 4   2300   01:23.459   7
3   3   25   MP3   G. Williams   1999   Mitsubishi   Lancer Evo 6   2350T   01:26.516   7
4   4   20   MP3   G. Bayley   2003   Mitsubishi   Evolution 8      01:28.747   7
5   5   26   MP3   P. Rae   1991   Mazda   RX-7   2616 R   01:29.615   7
6   6   89   MP3   J. Handal   2002   Subaru   WRX   2500T   01:31.129   7
7   1   17   MP1   D. Gilbert   1993   Suzuki   Swift GTI   1520   01:36.924   7
8   2   144   MP1   G. Greg   1994   Honda   Civic   1600   01:35.030   7
9   3   229   MP1   M. Groves   1991   Toyota   Levin   1600   01:44.794   7
10   7   89   MP3   M. Whittingham   1995   Mitsubishi   Lancer Evo 2   2350T   01:34.717   6
11   4   85   MP1   T. King   1990   Honda   Civic   1800   01:34.749   6
12   1   38   MP2   O. Johnson   1993   Toyota   Terecel   1331T   01:40.482   6
13   5   77   MP1   A. Forbes   1992   Toyota   Starlet   1600   01:44.929   6
14   6   108   MP1   R. Singh   1986   Toyota   Corolla GTS   1600   01:45.008   5
15   7   876   MP1   B. Foster   1993   Honda   Civic   1786   01:37.558   4
16   8   172   MP1   W. Small   1988   Toyota   Corolla   1600   01:48.625   4

I thought Summerbell won this race....check it

It appears DT made a slight error, as he printed the results for MP3 & MP1 Race 2 twice - inadvertently. I am sure he will soon correct it.

[Autotronix]

Race Results For MP 1, MP 3 Race 1                              
                              
Pos   CPos   Veh#   Class   Name   Yr.   Make   Model   Disp.   BestTime   Laps
1   1   24   MP3   D. Gore   1995   Mitsubishi   Lancer Evo 5   2350T   01:23.631   7
2   2   33   MP3   C. Campbell   1997   Mitsubishi   Lancer Evo 4   2300   01:23.459   7
3   3   25   MP3   G. Williams   1999   Mitsubishi   Lancer Evo 6   2350T   01:26.516   7
4   4   20   MP3   G. Bayley   2003   Mitsubishi   Evolution 8      01:28.747   7
5   5   26   MP3   P. Rae   1991   Mazda   RX-7   2616 R   01:29.615   7
6   6   89   MP3   J. Handal   2002   Subaru   WRX   2500T   01:31.129   7
7   1   17   MP1   D. Gilbert   1993   Suzuki   Swift GTI   1520   01:36.924   7
8   2   144   MP1   G. Greg   1994   Honda   Civic   1600   01:35.030   7
9   3   229   MP1   M. Groves   1991   Toyota   Levin   1600   01:44.794   7
10   7   89   MP3   M. Whittingham   1995   Mitsubishi   Lancer Evo 2   2350T   01:34.717   6
11   4   85   MP1   T. King   1990   Honda   Civic   1800   01:34.749   6
12   1   38   MP2   O. Johnson   1993   Toyota   Terecel   1331T   01:40.482   6
13   5   77   MP1   A. Forbes   1992   Toyota   Starlet   1600   01:44.929   6
14   6   108   MP1   R. Singh   1986   Toyota   Corolla GTS   1600   01:45.008   5
15   7   876   MP1   B. Foster   1993   Honda   Civic   1786   01:37.558   4
16   8   172   MP1   W. Small   1988   Toyota   Corolla   1600   01:48.625   4

I thought Summerbell won this race....check it

It appears DT made a slight error, as he printed the results for MP3 & MP1 Race 2 twice - inadvertently. I am sure he will soon correct it.

I see now, identical results in both races

[toyracer]

DT if Mark and Ivan are tied for 1st would that mean I am in 2nd and not third?

When there are 2 first places in a championship, the next award as I know it is third, except at the Olympics, but we can discuss this and come to an arrangement.

It holds for the Olympics as well. Don't you remember the women's 100m? The tie for silver meant that there was no bronze medal... it would have been the same if there was a tie for gold, i.e. no silver, just a bronze.

[Finishliner]

I believe that George Bayley had a fairly good meet marked improvement. 

[§exy Prince§§™ - KMBBA]

Maybe it's just me, but I believe that the IP45 race has gotten quite boring to watch. 

What is the fun in watching two cars drive side by side the entire track?  What's with the blocking of track? 

[toyracer]

Race Results For MP 1, MP 3 Race 1                              
Race Results For MP

Pos CPos Veh# Class Name            City/State Yr.   Make       Model           Disp.       BestTime          Laps     Interval
1    1     32      MP3 D. Summerbell Kingston  2004 Mitsubishi Lancer Evo 8 2270T    01:20.896  5       Lap 5

Just a note for those that were "concerned" with the times that TA1 posted in qualifying...

[Ice]

Maybe it's just me, but I believe that the IP45 race has gotten quite boring to watch. 

What is the fun in watching two cars drive side by side the entire track?  What's with the blocking of track? 

I think it may be because you were battling with them. 

anyway, I have another question: There was a incident where 2 cars made contact, arguably in a fashion that was avoidable and not within the spirit of IP45 rules as was understood during the period that I participated in that series.

Teach, can you comment on the incident and any actions taken/to be taken as a result?
Did anyone else witness it and what are your thoughts?

[MEGAN RACING JAMAICA]

Thundersport race 1

Pos   Veh#   Name   Yr.   Make   Model   Disp.   BestTime   Laps
1   24   D. Gore   1998   Mitsubishi   Lancer Evo 5   2350T   01:22.908   5
2   33   C. Campbell   1997   Mitsubishi   Evolution   2350T   01:23.469   5
3   25   G. Williams   1999   Mitsubishi   Lancer Evo 6   2350T   01:25.271   5
4   27   S. Rae   1997   Mitsubishi   Mirage RS   1500T   01:31.973   5
5   0   D. Shaw   1981   Prochallenge   Pickup   1400   01:32.029   5
6   89   M. Whittingham   1995   Mitsubishi    Lancer Evo 2   2350T   01:32.148   5
7   1   M. Causwell   1997   Mitsubishi    Mirage   2000   01:30.746   4



Race Results For Thundersport Race 2                                                   
Pos   CPos   Veh#   Class   Name   Yr.   Make   Model   Disp.   BestTime   Laps
1   1   24   TS   D. Gore      Mitsubishi   Lancer Evo 5   2350T   01:22.596   5
2   2   33   TS   C. Campbell   1997   Mitsubishi   Lancer Evo 4   2300T   01:23.366   5
3   3   310   TS   S. Bansie      Subaru   Imprezza Sti Spec C   1990T   01:27.187   5
4   4   13   TS   S. Mohammed      Mitsubishi   Lancer Evo 3      01:30.579   5
5   5   26   TS   P. Rae   1991   Mazda   RX-7   2616 R   01:30.789   5
6   6   89   TS   M. Whittingham      Mitsubishi   Lancer Evo 2   2350T   01:32.452   5
7   7   0   TS   D. Shaw   1981   Prochallenge   Pickup   1400   01:32.333   5
8   8   27   TS   S. Rae   1997   Mitsubishi   Mirage RS   1500T   01:32.233   5
9   1   TX192      V. Handal      Mitsubishi   Lancer Evo 8   2350T   01:32.562   5
10   9   19   TS   R. Moyston   1971   Datsun   510   2000   01:36.122   5
11   10   85   TS   T. King   1990   Honda   Civic   1800   01:35.873   5
12   11   305   TS   I. Galbraith   1996   Suzuki   Swift GTI   1298T   01:29.706   2
13   12   25   TS   G. Williams   1999   Mitsubishi   Lancer Evo 6   2350T   59:59.999   1


since when i stroke my motor? and drive and evo 8

[Ralliart4]

Maybe it's just me, but I believe that the IP45 race has gotten quite boring to watch. 

What is the fun in watching two cars drive side by side the entire track?  What's with the blocking of track? 

I think it may be because you were battling with them. 

anyway, I have another question: There was a incident where 2 cars made contact, arguably in a fashion that was avoidable and not within the spirit of IP45 rules as was understood during the period that I participated in that series.

Teach, can you comment on the incident and any actions taken/to be taken as a result?
Did anyone else witness it and what are your thoughts?

Ice come on man this seems very similar to what was being said in 2006 about similar activites and nothing has changed so it will take a big wreck to call some attention to it. Dont waste your time or breath Sexy or Ice.

[don1]

Race Results For MP 1, MP 3 Race 1                              
Race Results For MP

Pos CPos Veh# Class Name            City/State Yr.   Make       Model           Disp.       BestTime          Laps     Interval
1    1     32      MP3 D. Summerbell Kingston  2004 Mitsubishi Lancer Evo 8 2270T    01:20.896  5       Lap 5

Just a note for those that were "concerned" with the times that TA1 posted in qualifying...

Good to see TA1 still running those times .. that's where the pace needs to be for caribbean championship race.

[Ice]

Maybe it's just me, but I believe that the IP45 race has gotten quite boring to watch. 

What is the fun in watching two cars drive side by side the entire track?  What's with the blocking of track? 

I think it may be because you were battling with them. 

anyway, I have another question: There was a incident where 2 cars made contact, arguably in a fashion that was avoidable and not within the spirit of IP45 rules as was understood during the period that I participated in that series.

Teach, can you comment on the incident and any actions taken/to be taken as a result?
Did anyone else witness it and what are your thoughts?

Ice come on man this seems very similar to what was being said in 2006 about similar activites and nothing has changed so it will take a big wreck to call some attention to it. Dont waste your time or breath Sexy or Ice.

I hear you Ralli, but I am one to ask and not be answered than to assume what the answer would have been had I not asked.

I also wanted to know if the entry of the E10 Mirage in this race was a promotional stunt or it was intended to be entered in this class. This car was also entered in the IP33 class.  And yes, I am aware that there is no rule preventing the entry.

And before anyone thinks it, I am not asking because I grudge anyone for failing to bag the sponsorship for myself or for anyone other sinister, bad mind or green eye reason.

[Ralliart4]

Maybe it's just me, but I believe that the IP45 race has gotten quite boring to watch. 

What is the fun in watching two cars drive side by side the entire track?  What's with the blocking of track? 

I think it may be because you were battling with them. 

anyway, I have another question: There was a incident where 2 cars made contact, arguably in a fashion that was avoidable and not within the spirit of IP45 rules as was understood during the period that I participated in that series.

Teach, can you comment on the incident and any actions taken/to be taken as a result?
Did anyone else witness it and what are your thoughts?

Ice come on man this seems very similar to what was being said in 2006 about similar activites and nothing has changed so it will take a big wreck to call some attention to it. Dont waste your time or breath Sexy or Ice.

I hear you Ralli, but I am one to ask and not be answered than to assume what the answer would have been had I not asked.

I also wanted to know if the entry of the E10 Mirage in this race was a promotional stunt or it was intended to be entered in this class. This car was also entered in the IP33 class.  And yes, I am aware that there is no rule preventing the entry.

And before anyone thinks it, I am not asking because I grudge anyone for failing to bag the sponsorship for myself or for anyone other sinister, bad mind or green eye reason.

I understand Ice and you know that I know that you know lol. How about two of the IP45 front runners with those high power cars running IP27+  this year?? No power increase to speak of, just cage... how reasonable is that? Those are some good questions that you ask lets hope people see into the real issue and give reasonable answers.

[The Caveman]

Unless I was not paying any attention in class .... or the IP45 rules have changed. The only reason 1 car should be beside another during the race is to execute a pass. If you are not passing you should be single file for the most part during a IP45 race.

For the life of me, I cannot understand how from last year, guys have been allowed to sit side by side for the entire track ...every race.      Why are they not penalised? They are breaking the rule...you cannot execute the pass ...get back in line simple. It avoids accidents too.

Wasnt that the whole idea? 

[Ice]

The car was entered for 1:33 but on paper, I think that Mirage with a turbocharged motor is very capable of IP27 with some ease.  Well at least it should be.  The N/A Mirages holding back to do 1:33.  Plus and N/a and turbo charged Hondas doing 1:27 with similar or less displacement (and the Mirage is arguable the superior chassis and has superior brakes).

I am no expert but it would seem to me that a turbo charged Mirage should me capable of 1:27

[toyracer]

Race Results For MP 1, MP 3 Race 1                              
Race Results For MP

Pos CPos Veh# Class Name            City/State Yr.   Make       Model           Disp.       BestTime          Laps     Interval
1    1     32      MP3 D. Summerbell Kingston  2004 Mitsubishi Lancer Evo 8 2270T    01:20.896  5       Lap 5

Just a note for those that were "concerned" with the times that TA1 posted in qualifying...

Good to see TA1 still running those times .. that's where the pace needs to be for caribbean championship race.

Probably a little quicker than that... my, wouldn't it be interesting to see a sub-1:20 race lap...

[Ice]

Unless I was not paying any attention in class .... or the IP45 rules have changed. The only reason 1 car should be beside another during the race is to execute a pass. If you are not passing you should be single file for the most part during a IP45 race.

For the life of me, I cannot understand how from last year, guys have been allowed to sit side by side for the entire track ...every race.      Why are they not penalised? They are breaking the rule...you cannot execute the pass ...get back in line simple. It avoids accidents too.

Wasnt that the whole idea? 

Exactly! From my observation and conspiracy theory, if you and your friend drive side by side the entire track, it is impossible for anyone to pass or force a break out.  

From early on (years ago while I participated), I voiced a concern that the IP45 class has too much autonomy invested in one person.  You cant have the same person making the rules, allowing favoured people to bend them, adjusting them last minute, stewarding them and enforcing them. There are no independent controls.  
I have observed where the rules are bent, overlooked or shaped for other than transparent reasons IMHO.  It may look good on paper but I dont think it bodes well for the longevity of the class.

As operated now, IP45 is more of a promotional bore than a real bracket race.  And no, the bracket (time) does not have to be adjusted for real racing to take place nor do the safety risks have to increase.  If anything, this 'procession' or 'convoy' is more unsafe now because of how it is run.   The Fit/Evo incident may be signs of things to come.

I still dont have an answer about the contact between the Fit and Evo, the cause and actions taken.  I would really like an answer.  Please.

[The Caveman]

Personally I dont have aproblem with 1000bhp cars running IP45. They will have to do  more work in my estimation.....containing yourself is a mammoth task  . What I have a problem with is cars blocking the track to contain themselves and the rest of the field , so they can sprint off to the finish line when the time comes. That in my opinion is not a race it is a sick joke.   

If they all stick to the rules (Stay in a single file...unless overtaking) the 50bhp car will have a chance to pressure the 1000bhp car into going too fast and breaking out. Which will hand the 50 bhp car an opportunity to stand on the podium.

What is happenign now is a joke and will effectively kill the series. Teach sort out de ting......you sitting and watching de ting fall to pieces.....gather it up boss gather it up or breeze going to blow it away....

Somebody going to lick one of them big juice traffic blockers one day........   Memeba me told you....

Memeba say insurance nuh cover you pon race track so who get lick stay lick...str8....

[Ice]

Personally I dont have aproblem with 1000bhp cars running IP45. They will have to do  more work in my estimation.....containing yourself is a mammoth task  . What I have a problem with is cars blocking the track to contain themselves and the rest of the field , so they can sprint off to the finish line when the time comes. That in my opinion is not a race it is a sick joke.   

If they all stick to the rules (Stay in a single file...unless overtaking) the 50bhp car will have a chance to pressure the 1000bhp car into going too fast and breaking out. Which will hand the 50 bhp car an opportunity to stand on the podium.

What is happenign now is a joke and will effectively kill the series. Teach sort out de ting......you sitting and watching de ting fall to pieces.....gather it up boss gather it up or breeze going to blow it away....

But wait...
nuh dat me jus' say? 

Somebody going to lick one of them big juice traffic blockers one day........   Memeba me told you.... 

So nuh dat happen di odda day?
Or is it.?  Can anyone give an account as they saw it.  And someone else give an account as it really happened....

[The Caveman]

What,I was giving the easy Caveman   version ....what?    I am not like you..Ice.... I R Caveman and have to translate for my fellow Cavedwellers to understand .... 


Sorry boss I was already gone when the bruising took place.........was just stating what I have been seeing since last year. I hope the bruising not allowed to become a full fledged  Bang up..... 

[Toyoman]

DT if Mark and Ivan are tied for 1st would that mean I am in 2nd and not third?

who are you ?

I drove the Team challenger Starlet

[Toyoman]

What are the rules regarding passing on a yellow flag? What are the penalties? I read the rules but somehow I got the feeling they were not being applied. Am I the only one following them as a rookie?

[Armchair racer]

DT if Mark and Ivan are tied for 1st would that mean I am in 2nd and not third?

who are you ?

I drove the Team challenger Starlet

Yeah i finally figured it out the one with the broken off wheel

[marck_c]

What are the rules regarding passing on a yellow flag? What are the penalties? I read the rules but somehow I got the feeling they were not being applied. Am I the only one following them as a rookie?

Glad that as a rookie you are following the rules. Please keep it up. Your perception of the penalties for disobeying the marshall's flags is incorrect. A number of competitors were penalized in their finishing positions for passing under yellow flags.

[Ralliart4]

Personally I dont have aproblem with 1000bhp cars running IP45. They will have to do  more work in my estimation.....containing yourself is a mammoth task  . What I have a problem with is cars blocking the track to contain themselves and the rest of the field , so they can sprint off to the finish line when the time comes. That in my opinion is not a race it is a sick joke.   

If they all stick to the rules (Stay in a single file...unless overtaking) the 50bhp car will have a chance to pressure the 1000bhp car into going too fast and breaking out. Which will hand the 50 bhp car an opportunity to stand on the podium.

What is happenign now is a joke and will effectively kill the series. Teach sort out de ting......you sitting and watching de ting fall to pieces.....gather it up boss gather it up or breeze going to blow it away....

But wait...
nuh dat me jus' say? 

Somebody going to lick one of them big juice traffic blockers one day........   Memeba me told you.... 

So nuh dat happen di odda day?
Or is it.?  Can anyone give an account as they saw it.  And someone else give an account as it really happened....

Please tell us what happened because I am all ears to find out what happened.... Its so interesting to see all this coming out again. Now that there is an actual hit (not a brush) lets hear the whole story.

[Ice]

DT if Mark and Ivan are tied for 1st would that mean I am in 2nd and not third?

who are you ?

I drove the Team challenger Starlet

Yea, what happened to your car?

I didnt see the it happen but I saw the pics after?

I also noticed that there seemed to an unusually high number of incidents where there was injure to cars this meet.  From what appears to a near trading paint between Foster/Clarke to wheels flying to cars just going straight when there a is a corner to negotiate.

[Ice]

Personally I dont have aproblem with 1000bhp cars running IP45. They will have to do  more work in my estimation.....containing yourself is a mammoth task  . What I have a problem with is cars blocking the track to contain themselves and the rest of the field , so they can sprint off to the finish line when the time comes. That in my opinion is not a race it is a sick joke.   

If they all stick to the rules (Stay in a single file...unless overtaking) the 50bhp car will have a chance to pressure the 1000bhp car into going too fast and breaking out. Which will hand the 50 bhp car an opportunity to stand on the podium.

What is happenign now is a joke and will effectively kill the series. Teach sort out de ting......you sitting and watching de ting fall to pieces.....gather it up boss gather it up or breeze going to blow it away....

But wait...
nuh dat me jus' say? 

Somebody going to lick one of them big juice traffic blockers one day........   Memeba me told you.... 

So nuh dat happen di odda day?
Or is it.?  Can anyone give an account as they saw it.  And someone else give an account as it really happened....

Please tell us what happened because I am all ears to find out what happened.... Its so interesting to see all this coming out again. Now that there is an actual hit (not a brush) lets hear the whole story.

I wont be the one to give the story as I dont know that I know myself, but suffice it to say that there are some of the basic facts that I do know:
- there was an incident of contact between a Honda Fit and and a Mitsu Evo
- the incident took place off the race line
- It was severe enough that one of the cars was noticeably on 2 wheels briefly

I dont know the following:
- if the incident was addressed during debriefing or any other forum
- if the incident is being investigated further
- if it was a concern to officials
- if any action has or will be taken
- how the incident was caused and why

If I am incorrect, someone please correct me.

[Toyoman]

For me during the race where my wheel came off I had 3 lugs cut and then the wheel came off thankfully at the right place. I had an incident where the Stig also ran into my back. I won't speculate on the reason because he has not said anything to me about it yet. Lets just say I wasn't pleased at all. I noticed that Richard Chan went to Gary Gregg after running into his back and apologized as clearly it was an accident. I want to publicly big up Richard Chan for his conduct as a decent sportsman. 

[bulldog]

  ALL  THOSE  COMPETETORS  WITH  EVO V  UPWARDS AND  GOT  PARTS  DAMAGED IN  THE EVENT GONE   I  HAVE  AVALIABLE  A  ENGINE ,GEARBOX,  DRIVETRAIN  & COMPLETE, ENTIRE, RUNNING  GEAR  FOR  SALE ONLY  $2500.00  US & I  CAN  BE  REFERRERED  IF SERIOUS PERSONS  ARE  INTERERESTED .

[Armchair racer]

For me during the race where my wheel came off I had 3 lugs cut and then the wheel came off thankfully at the right place. I had an incident where the Stig also ran into my back. I won't speculate on the reason because he has not said anything to me about it yet. Lets just say I wasn't pleased at all. I noticed that Richard Chan went to Gary Gregg after running into his back and apologized as clearly it was an accident. I want to publicly big up Richard Chan for his conduct as a decent sportsman. 

The STIG, Wha happen!

The Man wants to talk, talk to him

[Duct Tape]

Just to make sure that the writing was on the wall, I did say this in the event preview:

The first meet of the 2009 Lime /Jamaica Race Driver’s Club National Circuit Racing Championship scheduled for Easter Sunday and Monday, April 12 & 13, at Dover Raceway in St. Ann, is set to break records set last year when the sport of motor racing achieved historic levels of attendance, competition and exposure, with record attendance figures at events,

Mission accomplished....one down, three to go.

[Western]

(and the Mirage is arguable the superior chassis and has superior brakes).

I am no expert

   

[Caldina03]

Just to make sure that the writing was on the wall, I did say this in the event preview:

The first meet of the 2009 Lime /Jamaica Race Driver’s Club National Circuit Racing Championship scheduled for Easter Sunday and Monday, April 12 & 13, at Dover Raceway in St. Ann, is set to break records set last year when the sport of motor racing achieved historic levels of attendance, competition and exposure, with record attendance figures at events,

Mission accomplished....one down, three to go.

If the parking is not handled properly for the next race, the last 2 could be in trouble...

[jmcn R]

Looked like it was a great meet guys, wish I was there! Good to see the lawnmower power (lol DT took the win with his pic commentary  ) making such a strong presence! Only wish Dover moved away from its strong loyalty to bracket racing across the board. Also....run those riders that don't show up with FULL gear next time. For every ones safety.




Ralli, mind sharing with us what indiscretions or fault there may be with the particular machines.drivers you have mentioned from IP45 that moved up in class recently? I notice you have made note various times about something not necessarily being kosher or pleasant, care to shed light on the subject?

[toyracer]

Only wish Dover moved away from its strong loyalty to bracket racing across the board.

I'm curious as to the alternative you would suggest. Bracket racing is applicable to the Improved Production group only. Those that do not wish to be subject to the bracket rules have to option of Modified Production.

[Druggist @ Druggz-Lab Inc.]

Only wish Dover moved away from its strong loyalty to bracket racing across the board.

I'm curious as to the alternative you would suggest. Bracket racing is applicable to the Improved Production group only. Those that do not wish to be subject to the bracket rules have to option of Modified Production.

T.R. I think some people don't understand the ip/ mp applications so you might have to outline it along with how the mp class is determined especially for forced induction, vs natural aspirated racecars along with their cc rating.

[The Caveman]

Why? Who want to run flat out just run your MP class Mp1-3 who dont mind a bracket run your IP class IP 37,33 or 27. It is as simple as that.

Who want to know the difference in the MP classes go read the rules. 

Better yet if you want to run flat out all day and your best ever lap time has been 1:35, Run your MP class, IP33 and GTS.  The only change you will have to make is to remove your Slick tyres for the IP race. Good to go..... run all out all day...have fun...

[Shifter Kart]

Only wish Dover moved away from its strong loyalty to bracket racing across the board.

I'm curious as to the alternative you would suggest. Bracket racing is applicable to the Improved Production group only. Those that do not wish to be subject to the bracket rules have to option of Modified Production.

stricter rules.

[UTEN]

Only wish Dover moved away from its strong loyalty to bracket racing across the board.

I'm curious as to the alternative you would suggest. Bracket racing is applicable to the Improved Production group only. Those that do not wish to be subject to the bracket rules have to option of Modified Production.

stricter rules.

I don't think we need stricter rules, the rules are fine, and when ppl complain that they cant maximise their car there is always a way, just can you afford it? What we need to do is enforce the rules that are there so far, esp headlight ducts, making sure ppl have the right spec windshields, no slicks in ip, test for gas and displacement

[marck_c]

What never ceases to amaze me is that the average Jamaica can understand this, but cant' understand the simple JRDC rulebook:


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[The Caveman]

Only wish Dover moved away from its strong loyalty to bracket racing across the board.

I'm curious as to the alternative you would suggest. Bracket racing is applicable to the Improved Production group only. Those that do not wish to be subject to the bracket rules have to option of Modified Production.

stricter rules.

Why?  You nuh see say Indian siddung inna IP37 like a him easy chair... how long now?..from it was IP39...   you nuh see how subby dude fling out him ra$$ last meet....   Two lick him get unda him shut.... . You think him going to sit there much longer?.....

[Shifter Kart]

Only wish Dover moved away from its strong loyalty to bracket racing across the board.

I'm curious as to the alternative you would suggest. Bracket racing is applicable to the Improved Production group only. Those that do not wish to be subject to the bracket rules have to option of Modified Production.

stricter rules.

I don't think we need stricter rules, the rules are fine, and when ppl complain that they cant maximise their car there is always a way, just can you afford it? What we need to do is enforce the rules that are there so far, esp headlight ducts, making sure ppl have the right spec windshields, no slicks in ip, test for gas and displacement

tell me what a evo with forged internals, GT-too-big turbo is doing in an IP class.
tell me what a Honda Civic with enough ower to paste two black lines down 2/3 of Dover's front straight is doing in an IP class.